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What is your loader or tractor worth for snow removal?

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by Ramairfreak98ss, Dec 23, 2007.

  1. Ramairfreak98ss

    Ramairfreak98ss PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,905

    Do you use your tractor for commercial snow removal for either just pililng up snow when you cant plow it anywhere else or using a push box?

    How about "renting" it out? If you delivered the tractor or loader to a jobsite or salt/sand stock yard to load up dump trucks and spreaders for commercial snow removal, what is it worth per hour?

    Do you charge for your machine per hour ON the hour meter, per hour/day/week that its at a job site or just set a price with the renting company?

    Ive rented New Holland and JD tractors before, i think a 34da NH and a 4110 JD, and they were both around $300 daily. I had to pick it up and take it back though.



    Next question is, if you have such rented equipment, would you allow someone or some other company to trailer it to a site? Some people are not "too" reputable with their trailering knowledge or capabilities, i would much rather do it myself and just charge a fee for it even if its not a money maker.

    I have a smaller tractor, too small of a machine to really use in this type of work commercially at least, but was looking at a 4720 JD for 08. I dont need a cab model and i dont need a backhoe, but with JD, you can only have one or the other.

    No backhoe on cab models and obviously, the cab has its benefits. I like the fact, on a larger machine, i can lock it so no one can be fooling around on the machine, its weatherproof, while sitting at a jobsite and trailering, and can use it for snow removal or "renting" over winter months.

    My drawback from not buying one this season with Deeres 0% offer was that id have a rather large "truck like" puyment for a tractor i would use maybe twice a month over the winter 4-5 months that i didnt want. If i could get most of the payment amount back over these months, it would sure sway my decision.
     
  2. LoneCowboy

    LoneCowboy PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,760

    Once you've moved snow for 10-12 hours in a non-cabbed model while it's 10 degrees out, you really begin to see the benefits of a cab model. :D

    And, in the summer, when field mowing or whatever, it keeps you cool and not covered in crap (they have positive ventilation systems, so it keeps the stuff out) you again really begin to see teh benefits of a cab.

    If you are just using one part time or a few hours a week, no, probably not worth it.
    But if it's your full time job (like mine), the cab really makes sense.
     
  3. Wicked500R

    Wicked500R Senior Member
    Messages: 394

    I would never buy a tractor without a cab and HVAC !!!
     
  4. MGardner

    MGardner Senior Member
    Messages: 105

    I bought a New Holland TC 35 DA three years ago and seriously considering a front mounted angle plow. A heathouser would run probly 350.00 as I don`t want a cab. Added a Woods 8ft backhoe with thumb last spring and used it many hours this last season. Deere would only go out like 5 years at 5.9, New Holland offered 4.9% over 7 years. When we go with a mini ex it will be New Holland.
     
  5. BlackIrish

    BlackIrish Senior Member
    Messages: 890

    Similar but not the same. I hire 2 bobcats every storm, $70 hr on site + 1.5 hrs travel each machine, expensive( 5+ ft so far) but ready every storm.
     
  6. merrimacmill

    merrimacmill PlowSite.com Addict
    from MA
    Messages: 1,822

    My tractor is probibly smaller than your looking at, but I bought a John Deere 2210 new in 2005. I got it with the loader, curtis cab, heat, cd player, am/fm radio, front mount snow blade, mid mount mower, rear mount spreader, 72inch landscape rake, pallet forks, and a 61" bucket. The thing does well and has never let us down. I've got 131 hours on it now so its pretty lightly used. And I have never regreted fronting the extra expense for a cab. Its a must if you ask me. Especially if your using it for snow removal.

    We're now looking to sell it and all its attachments at a reasonable price since we want to buy a skid steer instead. The only thing we ever use on it is the front end loader and I would like something a little more geared towards that.
     
  7. QuadPlower

    QuadPlower PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,056

    Whenever I "rent" something out, it comes with an operator (me) and I deliver it. Never let someone else rent your stuff. It always comes back broken or beat up. Either let the borrow it and expect the worse, or you run it.
     
  8. Ramairfreak98ss

    Ramairfreak98ss PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,905

    yeah i know, thats mainly why i wouldnt buy a used machine unless it was from someone who only used it themselves, just as i ruled out the possibility of EVER finding a nice skid steer or track loader used, 500hrs on them in a year or less and they look like theyre worth $300 :/

    I would be plowing snow in my own truck though while the tractor is being used at a salt depot loading, so i cant be doing both :p It would be nice to be plowing and making $70 for the machine per hour if thats a descent rate for a 40k machine? As long as its there all storm long, thats not such a bad idea.:salute:
     
  9. mmaddox

    mmaddox Member
    Messages: 57

    Tractor rental rates

    For a long time, the rental rate on field tractors ran $.10 per hp per hour, usually with a 100 hours minimum. That rate is up to $.15/hp/hr. This is for a bare tractor, no attachments, that are usually 150 hp or move. No fuel, operator, repairs. As this tended to be only one location, hauling was usually additional, maybe $100-150 per trip.
    Interesting enough, earlier this month, as a result of the ice under snow locally, I had two operators with pick-up truck plows only contact me about tractor/loaders. This usually happens with large snows as well. One demanded that I do his work because "I had several loaders". Guess how far that went. The other offered to "let" me collect his normal fee from his customers. He couldn't understand why I didn't jump at that, nor that I had a larger cost in fuel, capital investment, repairs, and time.
    Start at $65/hour and go up from there, depending on size, distance, location, and attitude.
     
  10. adksnowo

    adksnowo Senior Member
    Messages: 370

    I agree, there are staff at work who have no business touching certain equipment. I would at least get a damage deposit. And rent it at enough of a rate that you can maintain said equipment well under worse case conditions & operation.

    BTW how did you treat the last rental car you drove. :pMost people today treat equipment that isn't theirs like rented mules, the sad part is I see many people abusing their own equipment then complaing that it breaks/undepedability etc.
     
  11. QuadPlower

    QuadPlower PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,056

    I did a boulder wall last year that required 90 tons of rocks. All of them were between 200 & 1000 pounds. I thought about buying a mini excavator to do the work and then have for jobs later. Instead I rented a Kubota mini excavator from my local dealer. When the 900 pound rock I was carring in the bucket fell out and hit the backfill blade denting it, I was glad that it was a rental instead of mine. It was an accident, but $*it happens.

    I make money with my equipment to pay the bills. If they break it, I can't make money.