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What ice prevention do YOU recommend?

Discussion in 'Ice Management' started by Sweetpete, Nov 22, 2005.

  1. Sweetpete

    Sweetpete Senior Member
    Messages: 325

    Hey Guys:

    Quick question: A customer of mine just had new concrete poured in May of this year. So, the concrete is relatively new. Anyways, like any other customer, they're on a budget, so my question is this: what is the ice preventer does the least amount of damage to new concrete and which is also the best deal.

    The parking lot holds approx. 80 cars, if that matters. So, thanks in advance for the info. I really appreciate it!!
     
  2. kingriver

    kingriver Senior Member
    from alaska
    Messages: 217

    I surely wouldnt use salt, but thats just me, It will pit the new concrete, I use sand, never had a problem,:cool:
     
  3. little pat

    little pat Member
    Messages: 83

    The concrete isn't totally cured yet, putting anything on it could damage it. Try to get a waiver for damage from the owner to protect yourself.
     
  4. mrplowdude

    mrplowdude Senior Member
    Messages: 315

    I would use magic. i put it on cement, grass, my truck and what ever else it landed on and it didn't hurt a thing.
     
  5. Runner

    Runner Senior Member
    Messages: 957

    The concern here is just the material being put down in it, but the surface expansion. Even with concrete "safe" chemicals, you are risking damage...with most, even more so. What is happening is this. The ice melts (especially with hotter chems) and seeps down into the concrete, which is highly porous - especially when new. After that, it refreezes and causes expansion. This is where you're going to see your surface damage. This expansion-contraction cycle takes place several times during the season. Hotter chemicals, such as calcium, potassium, and especially magnesium (chloride OR acetate) allow more heat - and therefore, more absorbtion deeper into the concrete. This is one I would DEFINITELY have a waiver signed for. I would have all this explained on the waiver that this can possibly happen, too. Either that, or just stay away from it. There's more work out there. You have to plow alot of snow to pay for all that concrete to be busted up and hauled out of there, and new concrete to be poured. Just my 2 cents.
     
  6. Sweetpete

    Sweetpete Senior Member
    Messages: 325

    Thanks for the replies, everyone. What are your feelings on using sand? Would that help. The concern is more for people NOT slipping and falling than actually melting the ice, I suppose.

    What do you think?
     
  7. Mick

    Mick PlowSite.com Veteran
    from Maine
    Messages: 5,546

    If you have a sprayer, you might try straight Magic -0. It would help melt the ice but at the same time run off instead of getting into the concrete like Magic Salt. It would be more expensive than some methods, but might wind up "saving the day".

    Sand on concrete is going to give you a false sense of security because there is nothing holding it in place. It will just slide, eventually just gathering on the edges of the lot. You really need some way to "burn into" the ice.
     
    Last edited: Nov 24, 2005
  8. flykelley

    flykelley 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,124

    Im with Mick, anything magic sells should work fine, just don't overdue it.

    Good Luck Mike
     
  9. I like the Magic. It's probaly the safest products for concrete. Nothing is perfect but because it stays fluid til -35 you don't get the refreeezing you get with calcium or salt.
     
  10. DBL

    DBL PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,310

    i would use calcium on the concrete if youre going to use anything salt eats at the concrete and sand is just too messy especially a couple days after application as it doesnt break down like salt and calcium
     
  11. dssxxxx

    dssxxxx Member
    from NJ
    Messages: 63

    The only product that is Federally and FAA approved for -2 year old concrete is CMA 100%. It will not chemically attack the concrete or the rebar.

    This product is being written into a lot of specifications by engineers and architects.
     
  12. Mdirrigation

    Mdirrigation Senior Member
    Messages: 408

    So these 80 cars are going to drive to work and pick up salt from the roads and bring it in the lot . If they are that worried sand it heavy .
     
  13. MD Power Plow

    MD Power Plow Senior Member
    Messages: 151

    I have a few job with new concrete on them and I have always worked with the customer to find the right product and the amount for the job,I have found that allot of my clients prefer me to use MAG.
     
  14. dssxxxx

    dssxxxx Member
    from NJ
    Messages: 63

    I would have to say, that if I believed the spec sheets that the producers of MAG send me, I would have to never sell another ice melting product, othe then MAG flake or MAG pellets.

    We sell whatever the customer wants, unless they ask our opinion what we suggest, from our 25 years in the business.