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Western Cable Control

Discussion in 'Western Plows Discussion' started by dharri770, Dec 29, 2011.

  1. dharri770

    dharri770 Junior Member
    Messages: 14

    I know there a number of posts, I'feel like I've read them all. I have a conventional plow for my CJ5 I've been getting ready since fall. I have new hoses, new controller, and new cables. When I have the cables and controller "roughed" in, the plow lifts and angles great. When I tie up the cables and mount the controller, the plow angles fine and goes up, but won't go down. It seems the cable get restricted when the controller extends the lift cable. I've made sure I have large radius on the cable where they head back to the cab. My new cables had (1) adjustable and (1) not. The adjustable is on the angle valve. Does anyone use an adjustable cable for both or am I missing something.
     
  2. dieselss

    dieselss PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,620

    from what i remember both are adjustable,,,they have to be. the adjustments are at the motor. ones under the cover and the other is outside by the cover.
     
  3. dieselss

    dieselss PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,620

  4. dharri770

    dharri770 Junior Member
    Messages: 14

    I threw out the old T handle and went with the new version. Red cables, neither were adjustable. New black cables, only one was adjustable and that was labeled for angle control. Black cable for the lift looks just like the red cable at the motor end.

    I do have the service manual, it's been very helpful. I'm wondering if I should buy another adjustable cable for the lift...
     
  5. dieselss

    dieselss PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,620

    hummm,,thats a little outta my relm of knowledge. we have one at work, works fine so i dont mess with it lol. ill look tom at it and see if i can see anything.
     
  6. dharri770

    dharri770 Junior Member
    Messages: 14

    Thanks for any help.
     
  7. cameren_j

    cameren_j Junior Member
    Messages: 13

    Not sure if you got your cable problem fixed but I had the same problem when I moved my plow from one vehicle to another. I basically had to adjust 1 cable at a time dont try to do both at once you will fight with it all day. I adjusted the lift cable first and yes mine was also non adjustable so the adjustment came in how far I slid the cable in or out of the housing. Once I got the up and down set I then moved on to the side to side cable it took me about 3 or 4 hours of playing around but I finally got it working
     
  8. dharri770

    dharri770 Junior Member
    Messages: 14

    Yeah, I had to back the up / down cable out of the housing a bit too. Maybe next year I'll consider an adjustable cable to replace it. I had it all setup perfect, but yesterday I used it for the first time, and it seemed to lift a little when angling. Maybe another slight adjustment...
     
  9. fordman22

    fordman22 Senior Member
    from ohio
    Messages: 102

    on mine my angle cable was adjustable and my lift was not. i just got my angle working today. and make sure your valve isnt seized up
     
  10. PlowDah

    PlowDah Junior Member
    Messages: 6

    Hi I'm new - had to take my T-Handle control for my Mark IIIa , UP-DOWN Western Plow apart last nite - and broke the end off the cable in the control box - when I tried to straighten it out.
    So the RED CABLE is now bad ! Is it OKAY to just replace the RED cable and go on using the T-Handle ---- , or best to go to the new style --- mine is just a UP & DOWN plow - you have to manual swing plow for angle adust.
     
  11. plowcrack

    plowcrack Member
    Messages: 79

    I'm having some of the same issues with my cables dharri770.

    Anyone have any video tutorials on changing cables/controllers for westerns?
     
  12. dharri770

    dharri770 Junior Member
    Messages: 14

    I completely gave up on the T handle and switched to the newer version. Life got easier after that.
     
  13. PlowDah

    PlowDah Junior Member
    Messages: 6

    T Handle Cable Replacement ?

    I just called a local dealer about replacing the RED Cable on my T - Handle control -- and they gave me part # 56130 (cable $27.30) which I seem to find to be an Adustable cable for the Joy Stick - # 56018 controller --- are the new cables replaceable for the old RED T-Stick cable ------- Ohhh why did I try and fix something that wasm't really broke !!!.
     
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2012
  14. dharri770

    dharri770 Junior Member
    Messages: 14

    T-handle controller uses RED cables. New controller uses BLACK cables. They aren't interchangeable and I don't believe the RED cables have an adjustable option.

    That T-handle was a pain in the arse. So glad I changed. I think I paid $150 for controller and cables together. Like I said, only thing I might do different is use an adjustable cable for the lift too.

    Installation is straight forward. The plow end is the same as the old setup. The new controller is self explanatory. Remove the bottom cover and the end of the cable snaps over a ball. One wire connects to the solenoid like the old one.

    Good luck:waving:
     
  15. dharri770

    dharri770 Junior Member
    Messages: 14

    I think the red cable is p/n: 55363. Online I see it for $28.73
     
  16. PlowDah

    PlowDah Junior Member
    Messages: 6

    Cable T Handle

    Well I was on the phone & online - got a cable (& more knowledge ?) !

    My checking ;
    Western Dealer : “Said – was 56130 cable & had : $27.30” So I looked up NO its used as lift & angle 56018 Joy Stick controller.
    So I called them back and Another clerk – “ SAID NO – it’s a 55363 ( $72 ) which is adjustable Black replacement for RED cable.”
    So I bought it = New one 55363 is about 3/8” in Dia vs. old Red one ~ ½” in Dia !
    In calling dealers ONE said the “S.A.M. aftermarket 1313005 replacement cable was junk – ends pull off it . “
    Well Sun is out its I better go try and put it in.
    :salute::yow!:
     
  17. cameren_j

    cameren_j Junior Member
    Messages: 13

    I have one of those SAM cables on mine and have had no problems I ordered it through www.discountsnowplowparts.com. And I have also found out that yes you can run the adjustable cable for either the angling or the lift. I had people tell me you coudnt but I did and works just fine.
     
  18. fordman22

    fordman22 Senior Member
    from ohio
    Messages: 102

    to change the cable is very simple. 1st unscrew the handle. remove the screws on the back that will allow you to remove the cover of the controller. take the cable off of the ball thats on the controller. then take a pair of pliers and on the inside of the controller squeeze down the wings the the cable will come out. then once you get your new cable run it through the BACK of the controller. feed cable through whereever you have it through and to your pump. installed
     
  19. PlowDah

    PlowDah Junior Member
    Messages: 6

    Cable Replacement should be simple -- BUT !
    My first step was to loosen SET screw to remove cable at pump.
    Determine was it SAE or Metric - Try to turn with Allen Wrench - NO LUCK - slipped.
    So next try to use Hex/Allen socket in my Hand Operated Tap on Impact Driver - NO Luck.
    Now what - Tried EasyOuts - NO . Started Drilling and Easy Outs - NO LUCK - Finally Drilled thru and was able to pull out cable - NOW kind of chip out part and finally run a tap thru. The Hex Set Screw was shiny-very clean looking - but I think the Aluminum Housing and Set Screw metal reacted and bonded/froze.
    About now - I'm doing outside - Wind is blowing - temp about 10 deg - snow starts to fall . So finally got it done - in evening -- and woow does the plow jump up/down fast now --- Seems Almost to Fast !
     
  20. fordman22

    fordman22 Senior Member
    from ohio
    Messages: 102

    great job!