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urgent no start powerstroke...

Discussion in 'Ford Trucks' started by chtucker, Dec 7, 2002.

  1. chtucker

    chtucker Senior Member
    Messages: 618

    Ok on my superduty with 36272 miles on it (272 miles out of bumper to bumper) 2 miles of that was towing to work...

    Died about 1/4 mile from my house in 25 degree weather.

    Towed (myself) to work, plugged in, on a battery charger, because I have been trying to start it for the last three days.

    Added diesel 911 (stanadyne) to tank, and filter. Replaced filter. Drained filter repeatedly. 40 degree weather today. Block heater works. Changed glow plug relay. Fuel pump fills filter. All PCM fuses and such are good.

    Still will not start. I am lost and PISSED what else could it be. I live 40 miles from any dealer so a tow is going to be 150-200. Roadside assistance won't tow me for free because I am over 36k. WTF. ANYTHING else I should check???
     
  2. plowking35

    plowking35 2000 Club Member
    from SE CT
    Messages: 2,923

    I beleive it wont start with out oil pressure. The oil pressure builds as it cranks and that is what primes the injector pump.
    Well even tho its a could be a pain, it saves the engine from serious damage. The engine is still covered by a 100K 5 yr warranty, so aside from the tow and 100.00 deductable, the repair will be covered.
    Dino
     
  3. paul soccodato

    paul soccodato Senior Member
    Messages: 430

    i would disconnect the glow plugs, and give it a shot of ether to see if it fires up. those engines wont run without oil pressure (oil pressure fires the injectors). check the oil, and try the ether, see if it fires up.make sure the fuel system is primed
     
  4. SatZ28

    SatZ28 Member
    Messages: 88

    I know that I've used ether in the past for firing up diesels, but I would hesitate to use ether. Ford cautions against the use of ether, and as Plowking indicates there is a 100K warranty on the PSD. Should any damage occur from the use of ether, all bets may be off on repairs under the 100K warranty.
     
  5. chtucker

    chtucker Senior Member
    Messages: 618

    I am kinda leary of the ether thing to. Oil pressure on guage increases if I keep the motor cranking. I am not sure how to check the high pressure pump for the injectors. Oil level is good.

    I also don't think it is the cam position sensor (another common problem) as my tach stays steady under cranking.

    A) I am pissed because I am losing my truck for at least 4-5 days

    B) 272 @#@#*# miles past bumper to bumper

    C) I have NEVER been stranded by a vehicle besides this one. 3k miles drain plug falls out of oil pan and THANK GOD the injectors won't fire. 24k fuel filter gelled, 36k this....
     
  6. 99SDPSD

    99SDPSD Senior Member
    Messages: 118

    Try doing a search at http://www.thedieselstop.com it is the new name of the old (ford-diesel.com site. Lots of Powerstroke info there.
     
  7. SatZ28

    SatZ28 Member
    Messages: 88

    Or try this website http://www.ford-trucks.com/ There is a member that is part of the engine team at Navistar in Indianopolis. Go to the Diesel forum and post there.
     
  8. Dockboy

    Dockboy Guest
    Messages: 0

    Sure sounds like a CPS to me.

    Did it just die, or stutter first, then die?

    Greg
     
  9. chtucker

    chtucker Senior Member
    Messages: 618

    Won't even start now...

    No Check engine light. (except on key on of course)

    I don't think it is CPS because my tach registers the engine cranking and is pretty constant.

    All the info and tests I have been trying are from Thedieselstop.com.

    Howard
     
  10. Mark Erpelding

    Mark Erpelding Member
    from indiana
    Messages: 34

    I would contact the ford dealer. They have a fund which is to be used to repair vehicles that are out of warranty. Since your truck is so close to the warranty they might help you out. They did for me on a Tarus that the power stearing pump and rack went out 3000 miles after the warranty ran out. They chargeg me a deductable of $80.00 I think. The cost of the full repair was over $600.00 It is the dealers call, the first one I went to would not help me out. The second one was glad to help me out. You can also call the 800# in your owners manual it is a Ford customer service hotline they were helpful to me on the power stearing problem.
     
  11. Dockboy

    Dockboy Guest
    Messages: 0

    Mark,

    Howard's truck is NOT out of warranty! There is a 100,000 mi warranty on the PSD engine.

    Howard, I'm telling you, go get yourself a CPS. They are pretty cheap ~$50 if I remember right, and takes about 15 min. to change. If it's not it, at least you'll have a spare.

    Greg
     
  12. chtucker

    chtucker Senior Member
    Messages: 618

    Yep it is still under warranty. The Roadside assistance think sucks though.

    42 miles to the dealer, $80 hookup, $2 a mile = $164 :(

    Howard
     
  13. paul soccodato

    paul soccodato Senior Member
    Messages: 430

    the reason ford (or any diesel engine maker) tells you not to use ether is because if you dont disconnect the glow plugs, it will ignite (explode) in the intake manifold, and damage the upper parts of the motor.
    disconnect the glow plugs and give it a shot of ether to see if it fires, then you know where to start. diagnose the problem, dont throw parts at the truck!
    before diesels were equipped with glow plugs, ether was the only way to start them in cold weather.
     
  14. Randy Scott

    Randy Scott Senior Member
    Messages: 142

    Just take it to the dealer for goddsake. How much time and money have you wasted so far on it? Let people that know what their doing do what they know. You'll really be pissed when you screw something up by monkeying with everything yourself. How many days and hours have you wasted on this thing so far? Probably more than that $200 tow bills worth.
     
  15. chtucker

    chtucker Senior Member
    Messages: 618

    Actually no I have not wasted any money... I still have spare GPR and the fuel filter, 25 bucks for the relay (everyone should have spare) and the fuel filter needed it anyways.

    Come live in the mountains of Colorado and you learn to fix your own stuff. Its like my plow, the dealer is 100 miles away, do you think I would whine and cry if it broke, How the hell would I continue plowing in a storm if I was not self reliant. I am a pretty competant home mechanic. From engine swaps, welding, to restoration I have done most of everything myself.

    If I had my truck towed to the dealer on Friday, the would not have looked at it till Monday or Tuesday anyways. Then I have to make the 2 hour round trip to go pick it up. What is wrong with waiting until I have determined that it is not anything that I can fix.

    Howard
     
  16. paul soccodato

    paul soccodato Senior Member
    Messages: 430

    howard, disconnect the glow plugs and give a spritz of ether, see if it fires
     
  17. Dockboy

    Dockboy Guest
    Messages: 0

    Howard,

    Your tach will still work if ths CPS is bad.
     
  18. CT18fireman

    CT18fireman Banned
    Messages: 2,133

    Sounds to me like the CPS as well. Easy swap and then it should fire right up. I would give this a try.

    I agree with you. Give yourself a shot at the repair before taking it into Ford.
     
  19. chtucker

    chtucker Senior Member
    Messages: 618

    I just need to find a willing donor/lender of CPS to try it out today (Sunday)...:D


    If it is, I certainly will be estatic, I probably will wait to have one Fed-EXed from the IH dealer, as I understand it the CPS is 1/2 price from them.

    Another thing that I did not mention is What if it snows, I have more of chance of getting my truck out plowing than the dealer does by Monday...

    Thanks for all your help..

    Howard
     
  20. Brickman

    Brickman Senior Member
    Messages: 133

    Howard I know the feeling, and it sucks.

    Actually the only time that I had that problem in my PS was when I FUBAR the computer. (Think REALLY STUPID, some thing that I knew better than to do.)

    Good luck with getting it going. The biggest beef I got with any of the new engines is entirely tooooooooo many electronics to go bad.