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Discussion in 'Business Fundamentals' started by albhb3, Oct 22, 2009.

  1. albhb3

    albhb3 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,508

    Hi guys have a quick Q for you. My father works for a property management company in the south metro and they use to do all the snowplowing until the head maintnence guy decided that HE didnt want to do it anymore. So incomes another guy {a family aquaitance} and he offered the job to plow for him after his normal working hours and be flexable with oncall situations. Everything was fine until this year when the owner comes and tell my dad that the head maint. guy says that my father cant work for him because he thinks its double dipping. Is this the case, this side job does not affect his normal job at all and is on his time. Thanks Ill comtinue later just asking around. Thanks guys
     
  2. bigearl

    bigearl Senior Member
    Messages: 393

    so your dad works for the property and after work and weekends he works for the guy who plows the snow? I wouldnt consider that double dipping it would be 2 paychecks that happen to be at the same property. Thats how I see it
     
  3. TCLA

    TCLA 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,699

    I can understand the conflict of interest concern.
     
  4. JohnnyRoyale

    JohnnyRoyale 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,935

    Depends if your father authorizes any payments or not.
     
  5. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    Nothing wrong with double dipping.
     
  6. buckwheat_la

    buckwheat_la 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,254

    i would say that the problem lies in the fact they have already allowed it, i mean you can't be ok with it one year then come back and go, oh, now we aren't ok with it, people get sued for that kind of stuff. i do see the conflict of interest, but i think it could be avoided by bidding the property out to the public and just being a competitive price. The conflict comes that if he is the only one with access to doing them there is no competition for the job, allowing outside quotes and your dads quote should appease the owner. Also i think the head maintenance guy is a @ss, and if you Dad lost his job for it, i would sue him.
     
  7. terrapro

    terrapro PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,873

    I just heard on NPR the other day if you double dip you might as well be kissing the sharing party...DNA/germ wise that is.

    So yes there is something wrong with double dipping.
     
  8. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    So your telling me I can't charge my customers for lawn cutting next month and bill them for snowing?

    Still don't see a problem, he's being paid by someone else. Now if he starts calling in sick and is seen plowing ,then there is a problem.
     
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2009
  9. terrapro

    terrapro PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,873

    Nothing wrong with what you are doing but if you share some dip at a party/bar you might as well be kissing the other person. Thats gross, what if it was a fat chick :alien:
     
  10. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    Better a fat chick then GP, I think?:D
     
  11. buckwheat_la

    buckwheat_la 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,254

    lol, terrapro, however i don't think you see the point, he is doing it after hours, like he was working two jobs, it would be different if one job was interfering with the other, however it isn't, if he was doing the work on his companies time then it would be a double dip (paid by boss, and by owner) however if he is doing it after hours, why does it matter, ESPECIALLY when they told him it was ok, a couple years ago.
     
  12. big acres

    big acres Senior Member
    Messages: 653

    Personally, I don't see much conflict... actually less. Your father would now be working for a seperate company... a part-time job. You would think the owner would be happy to have someone familiar with thier properties and looking out for them. Does the company start with a G?
     
  13. albhb3

    albhb3 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,508

    my dad doesnt do the pay checks. the company is happy with the job that the company who gets the bid does more because of how its bid more than anything but they are still pleased with the service
     
  14. albhb3

    albhb3 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,508

    exactly it is a part time gig that is very flexible to his work sched. The pres. of the company doesnt care as much but dick head does
     
  15. albhb3

    albhb3 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,508

    yes it does have a G in it the third word to be exact
     
  16. Brian Young

    Brian Young PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,382

    Sounds like a big conflict of interest. The top brass probably doesn't want the liability.
     
  17. CMU07

    CMU07 Member
    Messages: 68

    I agree with buckwheat. Get other quotes. I can't imagine this family friend is getting top dollar (although he might be) because he's doing it with a flexable schedule in mind. However, the boss having not seen other quotes might think so and think that you're dad had his friend jack the rate up and hired him to get a cut.
    My .02/perspective
     
  18. albhb3

    albhb3 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,508

    We do not know what he gets thats his own personal business and so should it be. As I said before they do take bids but how many companies are willing to go by the hour. I can tell you the one property uses a skid and truck and the other 2 are 2 trucks. I do know what my dad makes per Hour no cut of the pie. The only reason the owner of the landscape company still hires my dad on is because he is 1. reliable and 2 he knows what he is doing {where to put the snow, how to be safe not break stuff} etc. Again thank you for the responses, staying on topic and please keep them comming. This is exactly what this site is for:nod:
     
    Last edited: Oct 23, 2009
  19. capital

    capital Senior Member
    Messages: 127

    I think the problem for the company that owns the property is liability. IE courts have held you are liable for your employees actions even if they are off the clock. In this instance if their is an accident they are liable even though he is working for another company he is an extension of his original company. In some court rulings if he was to have a back problem from plowing the carrier can argue it is his apartments insurance companies policy that should cover the cost sense that is his full time job.
     
  20. Lux Lawn

    Lux Lawn PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,137

    I agree 100%.