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two way radios revisited

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by JRSlawn, Dec 27, 2010.

  1. JRSlawn

    JRSlawn Senior Member
    Messages: 346

    I know this has been brought up in the past but I am sick and tired of our verizon ptt not working so I am looking into getting two way radios in our trucks and a base here in the office to help with our lack of communication in the field. We work mainly in the akron canton area the question I have is the fees for running the radios and how much it would cost to setup our own repeater. I have been looking at used radios on ebay for a few weeks, radio recommendations? Any help on this subject would be appreciated!
     
  2. clark lawn

    clark lawn PlowSite.com Addict
    from NE ohio
    Messages: 1,233

    my wifes uncle is a dealer for relm radio's. we bough a couple for the FD and they work better than the motorolas that we have. i checked into a repeater a couple years ago and i think it was like $25 for a group repeater or like $150 for a private one. (per month)
     
  3. bighornjd

    bighornjd Senior Member
    Messages: 249

    Cell phone service in generalwith Verizon is really starting to suck. I've had Verizon for 5-6 years or more and their service has gotten terrible in the last year. I've tried updating my phone and called tech support several times, been to the store and complained, and always get the same BS. Was told my phone was old and the software was outdated even though it wasn't even a year and a half old. So I had to pay full price for a new one and the d@mn thing is just as bad. I constantly get a call and then it drops as soon as I pick up. I think I'm gonna get tin cans and string. It's ridiculous.
     
  4. Any cell phone that is more then 3 months old is old school technology.
     
  5. JRSlawn

    JRSlawn Senior Member
    Messages: 346

    It takes just as long to make a call as it does to get someone on the push to talk my thoughts are do away with the cell phones put radios in the trucks if they are out of their trucks call their personal cell phones they all have verizon any way. The only time I would need to call them is during landscape season in the winter they are in the truck most of the time. I was thinking I would get a couple handheld units for our sidewalk guys and me. I have never herd of relm radios do you know ideally what the cost per unit was on them? I have been looking at motorola units online and they can be had pretty cheap in good condition.
     
  6. clark lawn

    clark lawn PlowSite.com Addict
    from NE ohio
    Messages: 1,233

    i dont know the exact costs but i believe he can get you new for less than used motorolas.
     
  7. JRSlawn

    JRSlawn Senior Member
    Messages: 346

    PM me his contact information I would love to talk to him about our needs and see what he has to offer!
     
  8. fargosnowpro

    fargosnowpro Member
    Messages: 91

    I think it's $25/yr to have a private 2-way frequency, any two way radio dealer can help you apply for the FCC license. I don't think there is a yearly charge for running your own repeater but I'm not 100% sure.

    We picked up all of our Vertex Standard gear from ebay, hand helds for about $100/ea and base stations for the office and trucks for $200-250 ea., the repeater setup and antenna was $400. We get about a 8-10 mile radius in town depending on the interference, a higher powered antenna and placing it higher up would make a big difference though.
     
  9. JRSlawn

    JRSlawn Senior Member
    Messages: 346

    Fargo that is exactly what I am looking for cost wise something not to expensive I saw new motorola truck units that were around $500 and in this case it would add up super fast as my plan would be to mount them in everything I own that has a cab. Is that 25 per year per radio? or 25 flat I herd around here its like $7.00 per month per radio to run off of someone elses repeater.
     
  10. fargosnowpro

    fargosnowpro Member
    Messages: 91

    That is a flat rate per year for the FCC frequency license. As far as renting time on someone elses repeater I think thats really up to the repeater owner. I know the guy that owns the local Vertex shop rents access on his, what he charges I really don't know. If your patient you can find new and like new radio gear on ebay for excellent prices, we built our package up over the course of 2 seasons.
     
  11. JRSlawn

    JRSlawn Senior Member
    Messages: 346

    Thats kind of what I was thinking get what we need and then keep an eye out for deals and pick them up for future use!
     
  12. fargosnowpro

    fargosnowpro Member
    Messages: 91

    We started with 4 handhelds and shoulder mic's from the dealer, paid him for our frequency and were off. They worked great when we were all in the same lot but not much further.

    For your setup the sky is the limit really. Our city has a 2 way repeater with a 16 mile radius (32 miles total). They also have vechicals with mobile repeaters to increase that distance. The repeater we set up is actually in a small road case for summer use at events, we could run it in a truck in the winter but our city really isn't that big :laughing:
     
  13. MSS Mow

    MSS Mow Senior Member
    from Maine
    Messages: 983

    I have marine VHF radios in my trucks. We can typically communicate upwards of 10 miles. They're not private by any means but work very well. No licensing fees. Radios that I have only run about $100 each plus the antena that was I think around $40.
     
  14. JRSlawn

    JRSlawn Senior Member
    Messages: 346

    MSS I have seen those in the past but I need something that will cover a 30-40 mile radius
     
  15. SkyhawkSteve

    SkyhawkSteve Junior Member
    Messages: 23

    At work we have motorola equipment that is on a business frequency 462. on a repeater systen that we lease from the local motorola dealer, this gives use about 40 mile radius, the lease on the repeater is <$100.00 month the equipment was about $1500.00 per vehicle which we own.
     
  16. clark lawn

    clark lawn PlowSite.com Addict
    from NE ohio
    Messages: 1,233

    to get that kind of range it is goint to cost you some bucks
     
  17. Brian Young

    Brian Young PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,382

    Dont get a private repeater, you can piggyback off of an existing one for a fraction of the cost. The biggest expense is going to be the radio's. I looked at a set this year (4 radio's) and they were 675 each! :eek: They were nice Motorola's but dang!
     
  18. cole22

    cole22 Senior Member
    Messages: 101

    We have Kenwood and Motorola radios and new radios we just got the other day was $480 and we get 30-40 miles without a repeater. My uncles has repeater and he gets 100 miles plus outa it! And has the same radios as us. They work great but you get into a lot of trees or high rises and the distance goes down. The FCC license is free for a private ban.
    I deal with Two Way Communications 320-587-9656 I know some of you guys are farther away but they can maybe answer your questions. I hope this helps.
     
  19. JRSlawn

    JRSlawn Senior Member
    Messages: 346

    A buddy of mine up here who runs a tree service has all kenwood radios in all of his stuff roughly 40 radios he hooked me up with his dealer and I am going to meet with him this week he said he gets 45 miles out of his radios. He rents space off of the dealers repeater. There are some real good deals on ebay the only problem is sorting threw the ones that don't meet the new band width regulations that are going into affect soon making everyone run equipment on a narrow bandwidth. So this means eveyone is dumping there old radios and you can get screwed pretty quick by buying these out of date radios. I will keep you guys posted after I talk with the dealer
     
  20. JRSlawn

    JRSlawn Senior Member
    Messages: 346

    I did get this quote from a local motorola radio dealer see below:

    Item Model Description Qty Unit Price Total
    Vehicle Radios
    AAM50RPC9AA1 Motorola CM200 dash mount mobile 4 $465.00 $1,860.00
    std compact microphone
    std 4 channel 45 watts
    antenna magnetic mount 1/4 wave 4 $56.00 $224.00
    Base Radio
    AAM50RPC9AA1 Motorola CM200 with 12 volt power supply 1 $686.00 $686.00
    antenna magnetic mount 1/4 wave
    Portables
    AAH03RDF Motorola CP185 Portable 4 watt 2 $275.00 $550.00
    Std Desktop Charger

    B&C Green Repeater UHF Monthly Service
    12.00 a radio per month 7 $12.00
    84.00 per month for 7 radios
    Can be paid in quarters






    Total $3,320.00
    Labor, Installation
    and Test
    Tax
    Subtotal $3,320.00
    Freight
    Date: Dec.28,2010 Total $3,320.00
    Valid Pricing:(Days) 30
    Submitted By: Mark Blewitt