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Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by sectlandscaping, Oct 29, 2014.

  1. sectlandscaping

    sectlandscaping Senior Member
    Messages: 314

    Got a proposal for this site. https://www.google.com/maps/place/5...m2!3m1!1s0x89e60e041bf003a9:0xcb5802ddb2be433

    Not going to name the company and not sure if this is a reverse bid type thing. The proposal that was sent to me is $295 for 2-4" and $85 to deice. This is walks, loading docks, etc. Of course I have the option of sending in my own price but somebody out there will do it for what they want.

    Now I have to ask Northeast folks. Is prices really getting that low? I only heard back from 2 out of dozen places and they said no. I still have proposals out there and new ones. So before I even got this I was thinking I was bidding high. Now I see this deicing at cost and I could get paid hourly by someone else to do that lot and make more.

    Its a 3 acre lot. Salt/sand is going for $60 a yard. I think 2 trucks could do it in less then 2 hours but ideally there should be heavy equipment there for the long pushes. If I ran the numbers maybe just under a grand for 2" with salt. Whos crazy here me or them?
     
  2. Buswell Forest

    Buswell Forest PlowSite.com Addict
    from NH
    Messages: 1,668

    I wouldn't take a piss on the front door of that place for that price.
     
  3. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    That.s the starting price, with the reverse bidding you go as low as you feel you can go,and then someone will go less. I think if you register,you can watch the bidding go down.
     
  4. gc3

    gc3 Senior Member
    Messages: 713

    That's nuts!!!
     
  5. DeSnowman

    DeSnowman Member
    Messages: 50

    There's no way you would make a profit there, with those numbers
     
  6. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    Sure you are,as long as your the management company.
     
  7. LapeerLandscape

    LapeerLandscape PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,611

    I think your in the ball park with 2 trucks in about 2 hrs, $150 an hour per truck aint bad. Do you want to get more money then $295, I think so especially with the sidewalks. If your going to use salt you need to get a lot more then $85.
     
  8. ponyboy

    ponyboy Senior Member
    Messages: 957

    Please say that's a joke
    It's not that bad here yet
     
  9. sectlandscaping

    sectlandscaping Senior Member
    Messages: 314

    The price gets lower from here? I can sign up somewhere to watch this. This is awesome.

    I wanted to make sure I wasnt losing my mind. You lose so many bids, not knowing if your high or low and then start seeing the prices and are like wtf.

    Well are they even getting a few grand a event or what? They could be lowballing themselves that they have to beat the contractor to even get it done.
     
  10. Citytow

    Citytow Senior Member
    from phila
    Messages: 548

    and the hits keep coming . let them have it . sit back , relax . it'll look like an episode of spongebobsquarepants . a good one !:laughing:

    pt barnum " theres a sucker born every minute "
     
  11. Citytow

    Citytow Senior Member
    from phila
    Messages: 548

    .12 x sq. ft per storm . minus state / fed taxes
     
    Last edited: Oct 29, 2014
  12. Longae29

    Longae29 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,953

    BFS sent me the same prices for about the same size lot. Told them their de-ice price is a joke, 2" price isn't horrible, never heard back. I'm sure someone jumped on it.
     
  13. John_DeereGreen

    John_DeereGreen PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,898

    For a 3 acre lot here the plowing is more than fair. Take the overage from that and apply it to the deicing and it comes out about right, for my numbers.
     
  14. Jack_Frost

    Jack_Frost Senior Member
    from Montana
    Messages: 117

    2 trucks 85 per hr ,,, is 340 per push
     
  15. ponyboy

    ponyboy Senior Member
    Messages: 957

    $85 hours minus driver $30 an hour minus gas $10 hour minus over head wear and trear on truck and plow you are paying them to plow
     
  16. Longae29

    Longae29 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,953

    The plowing includes sidewalk clearing. I tried to figure this out as though it were seasonal to see if your theory was correct, and if it is, and that's "more than fair" for your area, I'd get out of the business yesterday.

    22 plowings at $295 = $6,490.00
    35 de-icings at $85 = $2,975.00

    so that gives you $9,465.00 to work with.

    here's how that number would work.

    35 saltings of 2100 lbs at $.06)be surprised if you're even paying that little this year) = $4,410.00

    22 plowings 3 hrs (acre an hour) at $55.00/hr = $3,630.00

    35 sidewalk clearings at $40.00 each (wouldn't send my crew to any job for that little, let alone a high traffic retailer with tons of kids walking around) = $1,400.00

    $4,410.00+ $3,630.00 + $1,400.00 = $9,440.00 WHEW!!!! I'M RICH!!! OH MAN!!! I DO A TOYS R US!!! I'M AWESOME!!!
     
  17. John_DeereGreen

    John_DeereGreen PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,898

    I read it too fast...

    Those numbers are nuts.
     
  18. Brian Young

    Brian Young PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,382

    I highly doubt it's a reverse bidding thing. NEGOTIATE! Everything is negotiable! The plowing price is close but could be better even for my area but the salt price is way too low I think, but depends on what they want kept black top. Not to play devil's advocate here but we have worked with a maintenance company for years and we have a great relationship with them and they are just as confused on some prices as we are in here (meaning price fluctuates so much from area to area on everything from plowing prices to mulch). All I can say is make a wise counter offer and if they accept...great!, if they don't then walk away, it's that simple. BTW I can't believe you guys are paying 60 bucks for a ton of salt, we're up to 95.00!!!!!!!
     
  19. ponyboy

    ponyboy Senior Member
    Messages: 957

    Last year $70 a ton this year $85
     
  20. Brian Young

    Brian Young PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,382

    Last year we were at 61.50, this year 95.00!