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Time for an upgrade from F350 to F550

Discussion in 'Ford Trucks' started by sgoalie23, Feb 19, 2006.

  1. sgoalie23

    sgoalie23 Member
    Messages: 62

    Gentlemen,
    PART I: Here we go. Our business has grown so much that we are considering replacing our 1989 F350 diesel dump that is in good shape with a F550 dump. We need to take into consideration that the vehicle will also be used for plowing residential driveways. The truck we saw this afternoon is a 2002 F550 XL, 4x4, 7.3PSD, auto, a/c, mason dump with 75,000 miles. It also comes with a plow. Tires are at about 60%. Asking price is $28,000. We mainly use the dump for mulch and soil, however we are expanding at a nicely controlled rate and foresee more use for a vehicle of this rating. I also thought of the Chevy 4500 but thought it would be too big to fit into residential driveways. Your thoughts and comments are appreciated. By the way, what may we expect in fuel consumption. I am assuming that the gears are 4:11s.
    PART II: My son and I looked at another F550 and also test drove it at a Ford dealer. This one was basically the same set up as the other one, but was in better shape, had 28,000 miles on it, rode smoother and had better pick up. The interior seat was ripped at the driver's left seam. Has a plow frame but no plow. We can transfer our 9ft Fisher from the other truck to this one. We have a verbal agreement at $25,000 and the dealer fixes the seat. I am waiting to hear back on Monday if it is a go. This was also posted on Lawnsite to get both summer and winter view points.
    Mark (sgoalie's father)

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    Last edited: Feb 19, 2006
  2. pools&plowingct

    pools&plowingct Member
    Messages: 73

    i can tell u the 7.3 is a great motor but u don't want the meyer plow , well i wouldn't if i was your shoes as for mileage i couldn't tell ya good luckwith your decision
     
  3. MickiRig1

    MickiRig1 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,617

    I would go with the lower milage/price truck. Just keep in mind that the 30k service on the truck is coming up. The diesel will go for a huge amount of miles(7.3 PSD), so the engine's not an issue.
     
  4. J29

    J29 Senior Member
    Messages: 171

    F550

    sgoalie23,
    You were talking about fuel consumption and assumed that the 550 had 4.11 rears...I am not 100% sure, but am fairly positive that 4.88s were the only ratio available for 550 diesels. Will definitely burn a little more gas than your 89, but the newer engine with fewer miles than the 89 may help make up for that a little bit. As far as size goes, I don't believe that the difference is that great from your 350 dump, but again, not 100% sure...just trying to give my 2 cents. What year is the 550 that you have the verbal agreement, just out of curiousity. I would also go with the lower mileage truck. Good luck with whichever you choose. Let us know the result.
     
  5. sgoalie23

    sgoalie23 Member
    Messages: 62

    The second F550 with the lower mileage is a 2001. The salesman also said that it had a limited slip diff. He stated that you could tell due to the shape of the differential.
     
  6. J29

    J29 Senior Member
    Messages: 171

    L/S Diff.

    sgoalie23,
    I have never heard that you could tell that an axle was a limited slip by its look. Not saying it isn't true, just I have never heard that. I always thought the only way to tell, other than taking it apart, was by checking the code on the axle tag. I believe the clutch packs that make it limited slip are all internal and do not affect the outer shape of the diff. Has anyone else heard of this?? If so, please enlighten me. I've never met a salesman I could trust! That's pretty low mileage for an 01...just a little over 5k a year...can't go wrong with that. J.
     
  7. Joe D

    Joe D Senior Member
    Messages: 605

    They use the same rear axle housing for open or limited slip diffs. Tytpical salesman instead of reading the codes and looking them up in the computer he just BS's his way through it.
     
  8. PORTER 05

    PORTER 05 Senior Member
    Messages: 449

    1st if youre only hauling mulch / soil and plowing, just go with the 350....no need to be flashy, and you could save alittle$$$...+ WATCH out for the oil pan and the oil cooler system, i JUST bought a 2000 ford f 350 PSD and had to replace both with in 2 months how much ohhhhhh juuuuust $2,600, so make sure you get on youre back and check that out, if it is rusty DONT buy it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  9. PORTER 05

    PORTER 05 Senior Member
    Messages: 449

    plus i would'nt buy anything with a meyer on it, only fisher for me!
     
  10. sgoalie23

    sgoalie23 Member
    Messages: 62

    If the deal goes through, we have a 9Ft fisher on another truck and we will switch to the 550. The picture is of the first truck we looked at. The second has the frame only for a Curtis but no plow. We should find out later today about the deal.
    Mark
     
  11. PORTER 05

    PORTER 05 Senior Member
    Messages: 449

    like i said watch out for the oil pan, and oil cooler!
     
  12. sgoalie23

    sgoalie23 Member
    Messages: 62

    Limited Slip Diff?

    Gentlemen,
    I was on the www.dieselstop.com and found this: (maybe it will help others)

    "N NUMBER:

    The first three vehicle identification number (VIN) positions are the world manufacturer code.
    1FD — Ford Motor Company, USA, incomplete vehicle
    1FM — Ford Motor Company, USA, multi-purpose vehicle
    1FT — Ford Motor Company, USA, truck, completed vehicle
    2FM — Ford Motor Company, Canada, multi-purpose vehicle
    3FD — Ford Motor Company, Mexico, incomplete vehicle

    The fourth VIN position is the vehicle brake type and GVWR code (all vehicles use hydraulic brakes).
    N — 8,501-9,000 pounds GVWR with driver and front passenger air bags
    S — 9,001-10,000 pounds GVWR with driver and front passenger air bags
    W — 10,001-14,000 pounds GVWR with driver and front passenger air bags
    X — 14,001-16,000 pounds GVWR with driver and front passenger air bags
    A — 16,001-19,500 pounds GVWR with driver and front passenger air bags
    H — 8,501-9,000 pounds GVWR, without air bags (Mexico)
    J — 9,000-10,000 pounds GVWR, without air bags (Mexico)
    K — 10,001-14,000 pounds GVWR, without air bags (Mexico)
    L — 14,001-16,000 pounds GVWR, without air bags (Mexico)
    M — 16,001-19,500 pounds GVWR, without air bags (Mexico)

    Positions 5 through 7 indicate vehicle line, series and body type.
    F20 — F-250, Regular Cab, 4x2, single rear wheels
    X20 — F-250, SuperCab, 4x2, single rear wheels
    W20 — F-250, Crew Cab, 4x2, single rear wheels
    F21 — F-250, Regular Cab, 4x4, single rear wheels
    X21 — F-250, SuperCab, 4x4, single rear wheels
    W21 — F-250, Crew Cab, 4x4, single rear wheels
    F30 — F-350, Regular Cab, 4x2, single rear wheels
    X30 — F-350, SuperCab, 4x2, single rear wheels
    W30 — F-350, Crew Cab, 4x2, single rear wheels
    F31 — F-350, Regular Cab, 4x4, single rear wheels
    X31 — F-350, SuperCab, 4x4, single rear wheels
    W31 — F-350, Crew Cab, 4x4, single rear wheels
    F32 — F-350, Regular Cab, 4x2, dual rear wheels
    X32 — F-350, SuperCab, 4x2, dual rear wheels
    W32 — F-350, Crew Cab, 4x2, dual rear wheels
    F33 — F-350, Regular Cab, 4x4, dual rear wheels
    X33 — F-350, SuperCab, 4x4, dual rear wheels
    W33 — F-350, Crew Cab, 4x4, dual rear wheels
    F34 — F-350, Regular Cab (Chassis Cab), 4x2, single rear wheels
    X34 — F-350, SuperCab (Chassis Cab), 4x2, single rear wheels
    W34 — F-350, Crew Cab (Chassis Cab), 4x2, single rear wheels
    F35 — F-350, Regular Cab (Chassis Cab), 4x4, single rear wheels
    X35 — F-350, SuperCab (Chassis Cab), 4x4, single rear wheels
    W35 — F-350, Crew Cab (Chassis Cab), 4x4, single rear wheels
    F36 — F-350, Regular Cab (Chassis Cab), 4x2, dual rear wheels
    X36 — F-350, SuperCab (Chassis Cab), 4x2, dual rear wheels
    W36 — F-350, Crew Cab (Chassis Cab), 4x2, dual rear wheels
    F37 — F-350, Regular Cab (Chassis Cab), 4x4, dual rear wheels
    X37 — F-350, SuperCab (Chassis Cab), 4x4, dual rear wheels
    W37 — F-350, Crew Cab (Chassis Cab), 4x4, dual rear wheels
    F46 — F-450, Regular Cab (Chassis Cab), 4x2
    W46 — F-450, Crew Cab (Chassis Cab), 4x2
    W42 — F-450, Crew Cab (with box), 4x2, dual rear wheels
    W43 — F-450, Crew Cab (with box), 4x4, dual rear wheels
    F47 — F-450, Regular Cab (Chassis Cab), 4x4
    W47 — F-450, Crew Cab (Chassis Cab), 4x4
    F56 — F-550, Regular Cab (Chassis Cab), 4x2
    W56 — F-550, Crew Cab (Chassis Cab), 4x2
    F57 — F-550, Regular Cab (Chassis Cab), 4x4
    X46 — F-450, SuperCab (Chassis Cab), 4x2
    X47 — F-450, SuperCab (Chassis Cab), 4x4
    X56 — F-550, SuperCab (Chassis Cab), 4x2
    X57 — F-550, SuperCab (Chassis Cab), 4x4
    W57 — F-550, Crew Cab, (Chassis Cab), 4x4
    U40 — Excursion, 4x2, XLT
    U41 — Excursion, four-door, 4x4, XLT
    U42 — Excursion, four-door, 4x2, Limited
    U43 — Excursion, four-door, 4x4, Limited

    The eighth VIN position is the engine displacement and number of cylinders.
    L — 5.4L, Modular, SOHC, EFI, V8, Gas
    S — 6.8L, SOHC, EFI, V10, Gas
    F — 7.3L, OHV, DI Turbo, V8, Diesel
    Z — 6.8L, gaseous fuel prep (F-Series)
    D — 6.8L, propane only (F-Series)
    B — 5.4L, propane only (F-Series)

    The ninth VIN position is a government assigned, computer-generated check digit.

    The tenth VIN position is the model year code.
    · 2 — 2002

    The eleventh VIN position is the assembly plant code.
    S — Allen Park (Allen Park, Michigan)
    E — Kentucky Truck (Jefferson County, Kentucky)
    M — Cuautitlan (Cuautitlan, Mexico)

    The last six VIN positions are an alphanumeric code for the vehicle build sequence. This is also the vehicle serial and warranty number.
    · A0000-E99999 — Ford Division

    AND THIS

    VEHICLE CERTIFICATION LABEL:

    Exterior paint codes may be listed as a two-part code. The first set of characters listed indicate the vehicle primary body color code. The second set of characters listed (if applicable) indicated a two-tone or accent body color code.
    AQ — Arizona Beige (clear coat), F-Series
    BY — School Bus Yellow, Mexico sold only, F-Series
    CX — Dark Shadow Gray (clear coat), F-Series
    F1 — Vermilion Red (clear coat), F-Series
    EP — Vermilion Red Solid, Mexico sold only, F-Series
    FN — Dark Toreador Red, F-Series
    GX — Dark Toreador Red, Mexico sold only, F-Series
    L2 — True Blue (clear coat)
    LR — Sapphire Blue (clear coat), F-Series
    PB — Jewel Green, Mexico sold only, F-Series
    PK — Chesapeake Blue, Mexico sold only, F-Series
    PY — Highland Green (waterborne), F-Series
    UD — Ebony, F-Series
    TX — Bright Silver, Mexico sold only, F-Series
    YO — Oxford White, Mexico sold only, F-Series
    Z1 — Oxford White, Mexico build U.S. sold, F-Series
    Z1 — Oxford White (clear coat), F-Series
    Z3 — Silver Metallic (clear coat), F-Series
    FL — Toreador Red, Excursion
    JP — Silver Birch Metallic, Excursion
    LD — Medium Wedgewood Blue, Excursion
    P5 — Aspen Green, Excursion
    ST — Estate Green, Excursion
    TK — Mineral Gray, Excursion
    UA — Ebony, Excursion
    YZ — Oxford White, Excursion

    Wheelbase
    137 — 137-inch wheelbase (F-Series, Excursion)
    141 — 141-inch wheelbase (F-Series)
    142 — 142-inch wheelbase (F-Series)
    156 — 156-inch wheelbase (F-Series)
    158 — 158-inch wheelbase (F-Series)
    162 — 162-inch wheelbase (F-Series)
    165 — 165-inch wheelbase (F-Series)
    172 — 172-inch wheelbase (F-Series)
    176 — 176-inch wheelbase (F-Series)
    189 — 189-inch wheelbase (F-Series)
    200 — 200-inch wheelbase (F-Series)
    201 — 201-inch wheelbase (F-Series)

    Brake Type
    B — Four-wheel anti-lock brakes system (ABS)

    Interior trim codes are listed as a two-part code. The first character listed identifies the trim type. The second character listed identifies the interior trim color.

    Interior Trim Type
    K — Knitted vinyl bench seat, F-Series
    C — Cloth bench seat, F-Series
    F — Cloth captains chairs, Excursion
    F — Flight bench seat, Mexico sold F-Series XLT only
    G — High back cloth individual seats, F-Series
    H — High back knitted vinyl individual seats, F-Series
    J — High back vinyl individual seats, F-Series
    3 — Cloth 40/20/40 seats, F-Series/Excursion
    D — Cloth 40/20/40 seats with integrated restraints, F-Series
    8 — Leather 40/20/40 seats, F-Series
    9 — Leather 40/20/40 seats with integrated restraints, F-Series
    2 — Cloth captains chairs, F-Series
    6 — Cloth captains chairs with integrated restraints, F-Series
    4 — Leather captains chairs, F-Series/Excursion
    7 — Leather captains chairs with integrated restraints, F-Series
    5 — Leather quad captains chairs, F-Series
    L — Leather captains chairs, Excursion Limited
    B —Leather captains chairs with vinyl rear bench, F-Series
    M—Cloth 40/20/40 seats with rear bench mono. F-Series
    P—Leather captains chairs with vinyl rear bench, F-Series
    Interior Trim Color
    H — Medium Parchment, F-Series
    E — Medium Flint, F-Series/Excursion
    B—Ebony, F-Series
    D—Dark Flint, F-Series

    Tape/Paint Stripe (TP/PS)
    D — Light Argent/Medium Platinum/Light Argent, F-Series XLT
    E — Arizona Beige/Dark Sandalwood/Arizona Beige, F-Series
    F — Wild Strawberry/Dark Shadow Gray/Wild Strawberry, F-Series

    Radio Type
    7 — AM/FM stereo with clock, F-Series
    G — Delete AM/FM stereo with clock, all other components installed, F-Series
    9 — AM/FM stereo with cassette and clock, F-Series/Excursion
    R — Delete AM/FM stereo with cassette and clock, all other components installed, F-Series
    K — AM/FM stereo with cassette and compact disc player, F-Series/Excursion
    Y — Delete standard AM radio with clock, F-Series
    1 — AM/FM stereo with cassette and in-dash six disc compact disc (CD) changer, F-Series/Excursion

    Axle Type
    31 — 3.73 non-limited slip, F-250/Excursion
    C1 — 3.73 limited slip, F-250/Excursion
    32 — 4.10 non-limited slip, F-250
    C2 — 4.10 limited slip, F-250/Excursion
    33 — 4.30 non-limited slip, F-250
    C3 — 4.30 limited slip, F-250/Excursion
    36 — 4.56 non-limited slip, F-250
    C6 — 4.56 limited slip, F-250
    41 — 3.73 non-limited slip, F-350 (single rear wheels)
    D1 — 3.73 limited slip, F-350 (single rear wheels)
    42 — 4.10 non-limited slip, F-350 (single rear wheels)
    D2 — 4.10 limited slip, F-350 (single rear wheels)
    43 — 4.30 non-limited slip, F-350 (single rear wheels)
    D3 — 4.30 limited slip, F-350 (single rear wheels)
    46 — 4.56 non-limited slip, F-350 (single rear wheels)
    D6 — 4.56 limited slip, F-350 (single rear wheels)
    61 — 3.73 non-limited slip, F-350 (dual rear wheels)
    F1 — 3.73 limited slip, F-350 (dual rear wheels)
    62 — 4.10 non-limited slip, F-350 (dual rear wheels)
    F2 — 4.10 limited slip, F-350 (dual rear wheels)
    63 — 4.30 non-limited slip, F-350 (dual rear wheels)
    66 — 4.56 non-limited slip, F-350 (dual rear wheels)
    F6 — 4.56 limited slip, F-350 (dual rear wheels)
    81 — 3.73 non-limited slip, F-350 Chassis Cab, narrow frame (dual rear wheels)
    E1 — 3.73 limited slip, F-350 Chassis Cab, narrow frame (dual rear wheels)
    82 — 4.10 non-limited slip, F-350 Chassis Cab, narrow frame (dual rear wheels)
    E2 — 4.10 limited slip, F-350 Chassis Cab, narrow frame (dual rear wheels)
    83 — 4.30 non-limited slip, F-350 Chassis Cab, narrow frame (dual rear wheels)
    E3 — 4.30 limited slip, F-350 Chassis Cab, narrow frame (dual rear wheels)
    86 — 4.56 non-limited slip, F-350 Chassis Cab, narrow frame (dual rear wheels)
    E6 — 4.56 limited slip, F-350 Chassis Cab, narrow frame (dual rear wheels)
    88 — 4.88 non-limited slip, F-350 Chassis Cab, narrow frame (dual rear wheels)
    EW — 4.88 limited slip, F-350 Chassis Cab, narrow frame (dual rear wheels)
    G3 — 4.30 limited slip, F-450 Chassis Cab
    73 — 4.30 non-limited slip, F-450 Chassis Cab
    78 — 4.88 non-limited slip, F-450 Chassis Cab
    G8 — 4.88 limited slip, F-450 Chassis Cab
    75 — 5.38 non-limited slip, F-450 Chassis Cab
    G5 — 5.38 limited slip, F-450 Chassis Cab
    GW — 4.10 limited slip, F-450 Chassis Cab
    98 — 4.88 non-limited slip, F-550 Chassis Cab
    K8 — 4.88 limited slip, F-550 Chassis Cab
    95 — 5.38 non-limited slip, F-550 Chassis Cab
    K5 — 5.38 limited slip, F-550 Chassis Cab
    KW — 4.10 limited slip, F-550 Chassis Cab

    Transmission Type
    E — Four-speed automatic overdrive (4R100), gasoline engines, F-Series/Excursion
    9 — Four-speed automatic overdrive (4R100), diesel engine, F-Series/Excursion
    6 — Six-speed manual, Dana ZF (M6HD-6), F-Series
    5 — Six-speed manual, F-Series (5.4L, 6.8L Gas)
    2 — Five-speed manual, F-Series (5.4L, 6.8L Gas/LPG), Mexico only

    Springs
    Springs codes are listed as a two-part code. The first character listed is for the front springs. The second code listed is for the rear springs. Auxiliary rear springs may also be listed.

    Front Springs — F-Series
    Base part number — 5310 (RH/LH)
    Pre-fix — F81A
    B — Suffix BA
    C — Suffix CA
    D — Suffix DA
    E — Suffix EA
    F — Suffix FA
    G — Suffix GA
    H — Suffix HA
    I — Suffix RA
    J — Suffix SA
    K — Suffix TA
    L — Suffix UA
    Pre-fix — 1C34
    S — Suffix AAA
    T — Suffix ABA
    U — Suffix ACA
    V — Suffix ADA
    W — Suffix AEA
    X — Suffix AFA
    Front Springs — Excursion
    Base part number — 5310 (RH/LH)
    Pre-fix — YC35
    G — Suffix G
    H — Suffix H
    S — Suffix S
    Pre-fix — 1C34
    AG
    AH
    AJ
    Rear Springs — F-Series
    L — Rear air suspension
    B — 1C34-5560-CB, F-250, F-350
    C — 1C35-5560-DB, F-250, F-350
    D — YC35-5560-EA, F-250, F-350
    M — YC35-5A975-AA, F-450, F-550
    N — YC35-5A975-BA, F-450, F-550
    Auxiliary Springs — F-Series
    A — YC35-5588-A (wide frame)
    D — F81A-5588-D (narrow frame)
    Rear Springs — Excursion
    Base part number — 5560 (RH/LH)
    Pre-fix — YC35
    A — Suffix A
    Pre-fix — 1C34
    B — Suffix B
     
  13. Sweetpete

    Sweetpete Senior Member
    Messages: 325

    That is the biggest post I've ever seen. I felt like I was falling as I was scrolling down to the end. I almost needed a parachute. :waving:
     
  14. sgoalie23

    sgoalie23 Member
    Messages: 62

    Don't think for one second that I typed all that. That is why God invented cut and paste!!
    Mark
     
  15. PORTER 05

    PORTER 05 Senior Member
    Messages: 449

    yaaa, i dont know about that, i dont think god pays to much anttention to computers and cut and pasteting????
     
  16. douglasl330

    douglasl330 Senior Member
    Messages: 356

    Sgoalie23--Before you buy----A guy on the site has a 99 f450-- for sale--going out of bussiness--had 7.3--nice truck can't remember if it had a plow on it! Had it listed around 23K--I think he would entertain a serious offer! He was from Abington Ma. Name was Emerscape! Some Jokers here were offering him 15K! JMO that is way too big for a driveway rig! Unless there 100' long and uphill both ways! If you could find a nice lot for it to work in thats what a 550 needs! Both trucks your looking at seem like nice rides! The guy's post is just a little way down--"Whats a fair price"
     
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2006
  17. MickiRig1

    MickiRig1 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,617

    Like I said before go with the low mileage truck.
    The higher one may have not ever had any services done to it also.
    You can always add plow mounts but you can't erase miles on it.
    Look at the drivers door sticker to see what it came from the factory with.
     
  18. sgoalie23

    sgoalie23 Member
    Messages: 62

    The deal for the low mileage one is done. I should have it next week. Thanks for all of your help.
    Mark
     
  19. J29

    J29 Senior Member
    Messages: 171

    F550

    sgoalie23,
    Congrats on the new rig. Hope you can get it plowing if we ever get more snow around these parts. Be sure to post some pics when you get a chance. J.
     
  20. sgoalie23

    sgoalie23 Member
    Messages: 62

    Wiil do. After we pick it up from the dealer, it is going right over to have a Boss 9ft blade installed. There is a Curtis push frame on it now that will be removed and sold. Anyone interested?
    Mark