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Stop Salting so much (Rant)

Discussion in 'Ice Management' started by zabMasonry, Dec 15, 2008.

  1. zabMasonry

    zabMasonry Senior Member
    from vt
    Messages: 100

    I don't deal with salt in my work. If i use anything its sand but usually i just leave it clear of snow.

    But It bugs the living bejesus out of me when people salt during a snow storm I was on my college campus during the last storm and rather then waiting for the end of the storm they salted in the morning when we were still to get another 2-4" of white stuff. This meant that rather then roads and walkways having a couple of inches of snow on them, they had a couple of inches of slop, thats just as slippery as snow, but also pulls you around and rots out your rig. I really wish that folks would quit spreading salt during the storm (unless its icing thats a different issue) and just wait until the end of the storm to melt off what ever is left. Rather then spending tons of money on salt during the storm, just use it sparingly at the end. I know that folks are worried about liability, but its A SNOW STORM not palm beech if the folks can deal with it they should move south.

    sorry for the rant. just needed to get it out. i realize this may be unpopular thats ok.
  2. mike33087

    mike33087 Senior Member
    Messages: 555

    yea but spreading salt the way they did helps prevent the 2-4 " from packing into the pavement which takes longer to melt. slush is easy to scrape up
  3. chcav1218

    chcav1218 Senior Member
    Messages: 954

    you gotta keep a little layer of slush between the pavement and the snow, it makes it easier to clear
  4. coldcoffee

    coldcoffee Senior Member
    Messages: 776

    I'm like the Trix cereal rabbit...I'm just cuckoo for salt applications: xysportpurplebou:bluebouncxysport
  5. festerw

    festerw Senior Member
    Messages: 986

    Everything on a campus is about liability, if it costs an extra 1k to throw down extra salt instead of a lawsuit, they'll pick the extra salt everytime. Trust me PSU leaves piles of salt and sand laying in the lots after a snow....I'm one of the ones who has to clean it up after it gets tracked into the building.
  6. blowerman

    blowerman PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,261

    That's well said zabMasonry. I couldn't agree with you more about the overkill of salt and how much people worry about liability. Really, we live in a snow region. I rarely salt till it stops snowing and even them I use a sand salt mix and try to use the minimum needed.
  7. BigLou80

    BigLou80 Senior Member
    Messages: 558

    Gota argee with ya. The state of mass is insane with their salt usage I bet they could save a billion dollars a year with a sensible salt policy. I was taking a break from plowing a shopping plaza I used to do, I watched one tri axle come by plow down and salt comming out the back end, following behind him was another tri axle with plow down and salt spereader on there were a total of 4 truck in this proccession 3 of which were plowing up the salt left by the truck in front of it.

    When I did shopping centers we plowed and shoveled with the storm, I was assigned with a loader to take care of the place, we never had an issue with all the cars packing down the snow. The salt truck never arrived untill after the storm to burn off what was left, our goal was dry by the next day.

    While salt may help in snow removal depending on the type of stom especially if applied before the start of the storm Its not an absolute necessity nor is it needed to continue to salt during the storm

  8. festerw

    festerw Senior Member
    Messages: 986

    Here's what you guys need to understand a college campus is an entirely different animal from a shopping mall. The campus I'm on has 5k+ students, staff and faculty all moving around from 7am-9pm in that time every parking space is full when classes change it's mass chaos with people and vehicles everywhere. Most of the time everything is plowed by 7am then main pathways are plowed when needed if possible, dumping salt after the main plow in the morning is the easiest way to keep everything clear as long as possible.
  9. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,490

    What he said.

    It's called anti-icing or pretreating. Similar to preplowing, but different.
  10. cretebaby

    cretebaby PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,162

    :eek: lmao :D
  11. mullis56

    mullis56 Senior Member
    from Indiana
    Messages: 824

    I take it the orginal poster of this thread hasn't been sued before......assuming that is the case, to anwser your questions lawyers are the reason that happens.
  12. dfdsuperduty

    dfdsuperduty Senior Member
    Messages: 597

    :gunsfiring::gunsfiring: the lawyers.... but i have to agree they have made the practices of this industry what they are.ussmileyflagussmileyflag
  13. blowerman

    blowerman PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,261

    Has anyone here had their insurance company pay out for a "slip and fall"?
  14. John Mac

    John Mac Senior Member
    Messages: 374

    I thought you guys are in the business of snow and ice removal? I know I am. The more I plow and salt the better, it is how I make a living. I would never complain about to much of either. Thats like the guys that cut grass in the summer saying the grass is growing to fast.
    Last edited: Dec 16, 2008
  15. cretebaby

    cretebaby PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,162

  16. zabMasonry

    zabMasonry Senior Member
    from vt
    Messages: 100

    I've never been sued. I've never heard of anybody being sued in a case that didn't include GROSS negligence (IE: not plowing, not salting when their is definite ice on the ground. ect. ) This is vermont, and people are pretty calm around here and that may be different.

    I get what you are saying, at my school very few people go between classes in a vehicle. I also get what folks are saying about pre salting, but I generally take the opinion of stay with the storm, then salt at the end.

    I live in the middle of nowhere in a town that does not even salt their paved roads, I really don't have a problem with compacted snow on the roads. In fact january and february are the best roads in my town, everything is as smooth as a baby's a$$.

    It just yanks my chain when we hear about the university being 20 million short, but see them spreading salt like its candy to small children at the 4th of july parade. I saw, honest to god, a truck spreading salt on salt on 3" slush, We got plows for a reason - so that we don't have to pay to use salt to melt the snow away - its just ridiculous. I'm going to put a complaint in.
  17. John Mac

    John Mac Senior Member
    Messages: 374

    Zab, I am not sure that plowing is any cheaper than using salt. Salting is much faster. Plowing takes longer, and very hard to push snow to the snow bank with people and cars in the way. The only thing that I will do during the day at any parking lot that I do is salt, just to hard to plow. The collage has lots of money, all they have to do is raise your tuition.
  18. JD Dave

    JD Dave PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,034

    No but we keep deatailed site records and do lot check 7 days a week, sometimes twice /day, so if we do have a problem when we send our info in most cases are dropped immediately. It's very easy for you to say I'm using to much salt, but your in a different area and you might not do the same type of places I do. If you just leave the snow and don't show you did anything your screwed. JMO Oh and I agree with what Mark and Crete said. BTW I preplow in my sleep all the time.:D
  19. REAPER

    REAPER 2000 Club Member
    from 60050
    Messages: 2,228

    I have a lot that is slick blacktop going downhill pretty steep. The semi's coming in have to pull in and turn around at the bottom and then 3 point backing into the dock. Leaving they must pull their load back up the slick incline and make it without hitting anything.

    Did I mention there is a row of cars on both sides of the lot making this a tunnel like affect? The trucks have one shot at making their turn around and back into the dock or it is a cluster fudge.

    I salt that lane before, during and after every storm.
  20. 84deisel

    84deisel Senior Member
    Messages: 696

    ever hear of zero tollerance? Also do you know how much more salt is required to melt down hardpack and ice buildup ? We do post offices and banks along with other high traffic areas and if we didnt pre salt then we would have to keep a truck on every lot all during the storm. By pre salting and salting as we plow it keeps the ice and snow from builing up on the surface thereby reducing the extra labor and equipment and materials needed to keep the surfaces in acceptlable and up to our and the contracts standards.That being said it is also a substancial money maker for us.