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spontaneous combustion

Discussion in 'Heavy Equipment' started by maniakmax1788, May 26, 2010.

  1. maniakmax1788

    maniakmax1788 Junior Member
    Messages: 12

    Wednesday May 26th 2010

    Cause of fire: TBD

    Was not being operated, half tank of fuel, key off. doors/windows closed. High temp day (90's)

    Any ideas?

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  2. 2005_Sierra

    2005_Sierra Senior Member
    Messages: 346

    was that a 272C?
     
  3. buckwheat_la

    buckwheat_la 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,254

    cause of combustion; a slow leak, hiting something electrical, and/or a short in the wiring
     
  4. maniakmax1788

    maniakmax1788 Junior Member
    Messages: 12

    even in a 6 month old machine? especially not being operated! no one was within 1000 feet of it.
     
  5. Camden

    Camden PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,598

    Battery explosion
     
  6. maniakmax1788

    maniakmax1788 Junior Member
    Messages: 12

    how does the battery explode? because on the other side of the lot is another identical 262C that was bought at the same time. and that machine is fine. Defective battery perhaps with the immense heat? even a 90degree day isn't that much though.
     
  7. buckwheat_la

    buckwheat_la 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,254

    did someone need insurance money?
     
  8. maniakmax1788

    maniakmax1788 Junior Member
    Messages: 12

    yeah we can't think of any enemies but it deff. was not for insurance. if it was for insurance we could have spared one of the older junk 246's
     
  9. 2005_Sierra

    2005_Sierra Senior Member
    Messages: 346

    have you fired any employee's recently?
     
  10. buckwheat_la

    buckwheat_la 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,254

    i was just making fun, but seriously, i am still guessing a short and a leak somewhere
     
  11. wizardsr

    wizardsr PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,552

    Ah, that sucks...

    Post 'er up on craigslist as "mint condition", make excuses for why the buyer can't see the machine first, and demand a wire transfer for payment before pickup. :jester:
     
  12. jb1390

    jb1390 Senior Member
    Messages: 710

    Had it been operated recently? I would suspect arson. Diesel fuel doesn't tend to light easily without accelerant, and even then there would be 2 points to failure. You would need an electrical issue (that sparks in just the right place with enough heat to ignite diesel), along with a fairly rapidly leaking fuel line. Lead-acid batteries don't tend to spontaneously combust when not charging-generally a battery explosion would be caused by overcharging, which couldn't happen if the machine was off. Did the fire marshall inspect for gasoline, kerosene, etc? What time of day/night did this happen?
     
  13. kjgp1300r

    kjgp1300r Junior Member
    from RI
    Messages: 8

    Machine was used 24 hours before it randomly caught fire and exploded. Had >100 hours. It was used all winter for plowing.
     
  14. kjgp1300r

    kjgp1300r Junior Member
    from RI
    Messages: 8

    Fire Marshall was kind of an idiot.....Machine caught fire around 3 PM and exploded about 3:10. Machine was located near woods where people hunt/hike/ATV etc. There was another machine exactly the same with about the same hours located about 50 yards away. It is giving us starting issues, it turns over but will not start. Then sometimes it fires up with out any issues at all. These new "C" series machines are junk if ya ask me.
     
  15. maniakmax1788

    maniakmax1788 Junior Member
    Messages: 12

    quality control.... Caterpillar is going downhill...
     
  16. Mr.Markus

    Mr.Markus PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 5,163

    Tony Soprano sleep next door?
     
  17. icudoucme

    icudoucme Senior Member
    Messages: 349

    On that machine is the batterey located in the engine compartment or under the cab? can you get some pictures of the other side? The explosion/s was probably the tires bursting. There are only a few things that cause explosions with vehicles tires, gas shocks/struts, and aerosol cans. Diesel doesn't really explode in those conditions. If the right side tires melted and the other side is fine chances are the fire started on the outside and spread inside.The variable here is the wind. if it was windy and blowing on the left side that would explain why it's not as "crispy" If it started in the engine compartment chances are it would spread evenly to both sides. If you have more pictures with closer details of the left, right, and rear I'll see if i can get my buddy to look at them. He's an arson and explosion forensic guy he's really good.
     
  18. kjgp1300r

    kjgp1300r Junior Member
    from RI
    Messages: 8

    Here are some more pics.....

    Battery located under cab.
    Fuel tank located to the right of the motor.

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    Last edited: May 27, 2010
  19. kjgp1300r

    kjgp1300r Junior Member
    from RI
    Messages: 8

    That's all i have for now, i can get some more this weekend.
    The tires are not fine on the other side, both rear are gone, the right front is the only one semi intact.

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  20. plowinli

    plowinli Member
    Messages: 59

    I am not familiar with that machine but to me it look like arson. I have no expertise but if you look at the machine from the front it has more damage on the right side, when you look at the engine compartment it looks like there is more damage on the right side again but that is the opposite side. Being that most poeple are right handed and would be throwing from their right side. The final kicker is there is almost no damage on one side of the machine. You can throw lite matches in diesel and it will not light, it takes a steady hot fire to start diesel. I think they used some kind of accelerant to start it IMO. If it turns out to be arson I hope the catch the bast***!!!