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Sodium Chloride $16/50lb bag!!

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by Jays Green Daze, Aug 30, 2009.

  1. Jays Green Daze

    Jays Green Daze Member
    from MI
    Messages: 51

    Im bidding on a couple commerical jobs in SE Michigan (Grand Blanc) that the company require sodium chloride to be used (lots are approx 13,000 sq ft each so Im guessing about 8 bags per event per lot). I checked today and sodium chloride is $15.94/50lb bag on pallet with 52 bags/pallet so approx $850/pallet. How do you guys bid sodium chloride jobs by the bag and does anyone know of a better price per bag?
     
  2. terrapro

    terrapro PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,874

    I came up with 260lbs so that would be more like 5 bags, 6 to be safe. I would probably bid it at around $100-120 depending on difficulty of application and how much needed to be walked out.
     
  3. Jays Green Daze

    Jays Green Daze Member
    from MI
    Messages: 51

    Terrapro....By your calculations, sodium chloride can be used at a rate of 50lbs per 1000 sq ft versus 20lbs per 1000 sq ft with rock salt? Also, at 6 bags to be safe my cost would be $96....how can I bid it at $100-$120, there would be $0 profit....unless I am missing something?
     
    Last edited: Aug 30, 2009
  4. terrapro

    terrapro PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,874

    Yes 13Kx20lbs=260, or are you saying you want to apply it at 50lbs per K.

    I do not know what I was thinking with my pricing, it would have to really be a minimum of $.45 per LB. $.50 or more would of course be better but bagged rock salt is generally only $.13-.15 profit per LB so when you are talking about a product that costs $.32 per LB $.45 to $.50 is not a bad application price...comparatively speaking.
     
  5. Jays Green Daze

    Jays Green Daze Member
    from MI
    Messages: 51

    No I was confused on what you were stating. I was unaware that sodium chloride was to be spread at the same rate as rock salt. For some reason I was under the impression that it was spread at a lesser rate per 1000 sq ft.
     
  6. terrapro

    terrapro PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,874

    Yes absolutely you can use less. I think peladow is recommended something like half the amount of rock salt so you can take that into consideration also in your bids. $90 for 180lbs compared to $130 for 260lbs is a big difference for your customer, that is at $.50 per LB. Don't get stuck with out enough though, make sure you leave 25-50lbs for wiggle room in the bid if you go half. That stuff can spread fast!
     
  7. RLM

    RLM PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,270

    Sodium Chloride is ROCK SALT, your price for sodium chloride, is most likely calcium chloride price. Check your labels & chemical names. A 13 K ft lot coated at 1000/acre is around 300 lbs.
     
  8. terrapro

    terrapro PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,874

    :p I can't believe I missed that! LOL, I assume he meant calcium chloride.
     
  9. Jays Green Daze

    Jays Green Daze Member
    from MI
    Messages: 51

    haha I totally screwed the pooch on that one...yes I meant calcium chloride
     
  10. Jays Green Daze

    Jays Green Daze Member
    from MI
    Messages: 51

    RLM = What formula do you use to get 300lbs for 13K lot?
     
  11. deicepro

    deicepro PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,124

     
  12. cretebaby

    cretebaby PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,162

    Here............

     
  13. RLM

    RLM PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,270

    Our average is 1/2 ton (1000 lbs) per acre (45,000 ft roughly). 13,000 ft is about 1/3 acre, close enough for this anyway. We do the entire lot not just laneways.
     
  14. wizardsr

    wizardsr PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,552

    I dont spread straight calcium on lots, so maybe I'm missing something... But when we use calcium on sidewalks, we use 1/2 as much as when spreading rock salt, and it still works way better. 13k is pretty small, on a heavy app with rock salt, you'd be around 300lbs. 400lbs on a 13k lot would be a bit much unless you have heavy ice or extreme cold. With Calcium, I would think you'd be down closer to 150lbs maximum per app on each lot, most likely around 100lbs on most events. Calcium is way more effective than straight rock salt, you should be spreading a lot less than you would rock salt...

    As for actually spreading, I assume you're going to use a tailgate spreader since you're talking bags... Make sure you get a gate kit for it, calcium pellets will run out the bottom of the spreader just about as fast as you can dump it in the top, and calcium when spread too heavy makes a heck of a slimy goopy mess...
     
  15. Going Commercial

    Going Commercial Member
    Messages: 56

    Most application rates for calcium chloride by most manufactures are 1800 sq ft per 50 lb bag.
    13,000 divided by 1800 = 7.2 bags
    My area pricing is about .50 cents per sq ft.
     
  16. cretebaby

    cretebaby PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,162

    1200#/acre????????????
     
  17. wizardsr

    wizardsr PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,552

    Yeah, that seems pretty crazy to me... Calcium seems really hot compared to rock salt, and works way faster and better... Seems like you'd wanna use a whole lot less...
     
  18. terrapro

    terrapro PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,874

    This is a quote from the peladow site...

    "Since calcium chloride is more effective than other ice melters, use only 1/4 to 1/2 cup (2-4 oz) per square yard, (a 50 lb bag should cover 1750 - 3500 square feet)."

    http://dow-gco.custhelp.com/cgi-bin...nMuc2VhcmNoX25sJnBfcGFnZT0x&p_li=&p_topview=1