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Snow Melting/ Reducing

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by R0LLM0DL, Jan 21, 2011.

  1. R0LLM0DL

    R0LLM0DL Junior Member
    Messages: 16

    My boss currently has a few accounts that are in need of some snow removal/ melting etc etc. Between the last few snow storms in NYC the snow is taking up alot of space in these parking lots.

    Aside from the huge snow melters that could be rented from United Rentals that need a front loader// Are there any means of melting all this snow that we could utilize here...?
  2. NW Snow Removal

    NW Snow Removal Senior Member
    Messages: 532

  3. leon

    leon Senior Member
    Messages: 872

    snow etc

    About your snow;

    I have a posting on the forum here that details how it can be done using several kerosene fired salamanders and several 20 foot lengths of corrugated steel culvert pipe which will allow you to melt it in mass quatities near a storm drain with out the DEP getting thier panties in a wad.

    The area will have to be attended while the salamanders are working as they are electrically controlled appliances that can powered via a gasoline powered generator.

    What it amounts to is simply laying any number of of 20 foot long corrugated steel culverts on the ground and caping one end of each culvert with a steel culvert cap and pointing the same number of salamanders into the culverts. and the corrugated culverts become heat sinks which distrubute the heat created by the salamanders as the heated combustion air is blown into the culverts which will melt the surplus.

    Using a skid loader with a long reach is faster and will allow you to simply stock the pile and melt with the operator overseeing the genenerator and the salamanders.

    No snow ramp building is neccesary or advised as everything is melting all the time

    About the related issues

    The gasoline or diesel generator set should be capable of handling
    at least 4 kerosene fired salamanders of 100,000-200,000 BTU
    with amperage loading.of at least 60-75 ampere's at full loading.

    The 4 extension cords will need to be 12 gauge exterior grade
    extension cords 25 feet long.

    No separate Hubble GFIC protectors will be needed as the very
    large 2 wheel carted gasoline generator sets have them within the generator.

    You will want to invest in several TYPE 2 UL safety cans with the roll cages
    for the gasoline and kerosene cans to avoid having the NYCDEP AND
    THE NYCFD visiting or having to unwad their shorts etc.

    I would check www.Labsafetysupply.com

    (The Coleman powermate generator is an another option
    and you could run 4 100,000-BTU salamanders with two of
    them and have full load running for 3 hours or so per generator.
    I have a Coleman and have had it for over 4 years now and run my
    110,000 BTU kerosene fired salamander and other electrical tools
    with no problems).

    For current prices of the fuel cans and decide where to buy them
    and they all ship very quickly.

    You should also invest an a small spill containment kir from
    gemplers or lab safety supply also unless you have a
    small barrel kit already.

    Then the locals should have no issues about your melting.

    The City of New York will probably never invest in mass snow melting
    stations like the ones in Hokaido, Japan., as they have so few
    snow events and the logistics of hauling and loading snow and ice
    will prevent thier efficient use.
  4. R0LLM0DL

    R0LLM0DL Junior Member
    Messages: 16

    sounds like a very good plan...

    how much square footage are you actually melting in an hour?
  5. leon

    leon Senior Member
    Messages: 872

    snow melting

    What your doing is making a huge heat sink,

    IF for example you are using 2 corrugated culverts
    and the length is fourty feet in total per tube you have
    8 in total creating 160 feet of 24 inch culvert in the example.

    SO using the formula for the surface area of a cylinder
    being the "Lateral Area"

    double checked my figures-tired whoopsie 2*3.14*12*80*12=502.4
    square feet (rounded higher) of melting surface that will be
    will be radiating heat in all directions in the 8 pieces of culvert that are set up
    with two lengths connected and the end capped to make four tubes that will
    be next to each other and the ground around the culvet pipe in all directions.

    Everything will melt from the bottom up and you just add snow.

    The problem will be the ability to locate the culverts over or near a
    catch basin and the ability to secure the site when unused as the
    culvert will be exposed.

    Ideally the generator and the salamanders will be
    cooled down before they are secured in a container
    or removed off site and then returned later to start again.

    You can obtain a flammables locker from the folks at McmasterCarr or Ben Meadows or Lab Safety Supply who are my favorite supplier.

    Maintaining 2 small flammables lockers exposed to the site of off site is better as it segregates the fuel types and motor oil for the generator(s) and assures the proper fire safety rating times for both flammables lockers in the container by sequestering the different fuel types which have slightly different flash points and as a result different different exposure times to outside combustion events which will ewffect the amount of time required to melt the fusible plugs if the doors are left open or if locked the safety plugs melting time to regulate the flammable cabinets durability during a fire event.
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2011
  6. maelawncare

    maelawncare Senior Member
    Messages: 871

    The salamander idea is great. You could also always just a point a few of them at the piles, might not melt as fast or as even as the heatsink idea though.