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Snow melter

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by AB Lawn Care, Oct 13, 2000.

  1. AB Lawn Care

    AB Lawn Care Member
    Messages: 93

  2. JCurtis

    JCurtis Banned
    Messages: 862

    I agree, it does look like a great way to get rid of large piles of snow. i just wonder the cost involved and if anyone other than an airport could afford to purchase and run it and make money at it.
     
  3. Chuck Smith

    Chuck Smith 2000 Club Member
    from NJ
    Messages: 2,317

    The Public Works Dept. in my town has one of these. It looks like it's from 1950 though. I only saw them use it once, and that was in the parking lot at town hall / police building. It was a small lot, and parking was at a premium. That was 10+ years ago though. It seems now they just load it into trucks, and dump it in the parking lots at township parks if they need to get rid of snow. I think hauling it is faster than the small melter they have could melt it. Plus, the parks don't get much use in the winter. It seems like it's more trouble to use than it's worth.

    It was neat though, they'd park it curbside, in the lot, load it up, and the water came out a fire hose they connected to it, that they ran right into a storm drain.

    I guess if you do alot of hauling off site from your accounts, this could be an alternative. Add up the time to load trucks, the hourly rate for the trucks and drivers, for them to go dump, the hourly charge for the loader and operator, fuel costs, having a place to dump the snow, and it may be worth it. If you could get a good portion of your commercial customers to go for it, it could be profitable I guess. You could do it after plowing is done, to keep crews busy between storms. Parking spots would have to be VERY valuable to the accounts to warrant this though. Having very little melt between snow falls could make them more likely to want this service, since they lose more parking with each storm.
    I can only imagine how much a unit like this would cost!

    ~Chuck
     
  4. John Allin

    John Allin PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,327

    At Newark International and at JFK they melt ALL the snow every time it is plowed. I bid that contract 3 years ago and the thing that held us back was the snow melter requirement was that we needed 6 on site at the beginning of the winter. Could only locate 5 that we could guarantee would be there at the beginning. Lost the contract because of that. BIG contract too.

    They can feed one of those constantly with 3 loaders (5 yard capacity each) and never get backed up. Impressive units that melt it as fast as you feed it. Expensive too. Just under $300,000 each to buy.
     
  5. iowastorm

    iowastorm Senior Member
    Messages: 358

    John; do you know of anyone around my area that might rent a portable unit????
     
  6. Chuck Smith

    Chuck Smith 2000 Club Member
    from NJ
    Messages: 2,317

    I wonder if they are good to bake a toxic paint finish on a plow?

    ~Chuck
     
  7. JCurtis

    JCurtis Banned
    Messages: 862

    If not, maybe we can cook hotdogs and burgers on them at the next BBQ... of course there is always hot buttered popcorn !!
     
  8. iowastorm

    iowastorm Senior Member
    Messages: 358

    Chuck; I think it would be a great idea for initiation for SIMA members; make them be in a room when your painting a plow w/ your toxic nuclear NASA paint (w/ no respirators of course). If that stuff makes you glow in the dark, then it's better visibility while plowing during whiteouts.
     
  9. n y snow pros

    n y snow pros Senior Member
    Messages: 246

    We looked into these snow meltors and you can lease them for the season but you must reserve them no later than mid July.I believe our lease for a small unit was around 8500 per month.
     
  10. John Allin

    John Allin PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,327

    Storm...

    You can lease anything nowadays, so I have to assume that you could lease one somehow. I know that we had to assign an hourly rate to all the equipment on the Newark project, that they could use as "liquidated damages" if some piece of equipment couldn't be used in any given storm - and our hourly rate for that piece of equipment was $2800 an hour. Liquidated damages were 2X the hourly rate for each hour the unit wasn't available when required. I'd have to look to be certain, but I think the ones we were looking at were in the vicinity of $12,000 a month (each) to rent (6 month lease, 5 year term).

    Need a heck of a retainer to justify that dough....
     
  11. GeoffD

    GeoffD PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 2,266

    I guess i am lucky, i have a really big field. When thst fills up i get a really big dozer. Yes we plow the field all winter log.

    Geoff
     
  12. iowastorm

    iowastorm Senior Member
    Messages: 358

    Man, it's a good thing I haven't been to the bar tonight or those numbers would have been in the millions!
     
  13. phillyplowking1

    phillyplowking1 Senior Member
    Messages: 412

    Anybody know how much a small snowmelter would cost to buy?
     
  14. nsmilligan

    nsmilligan PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 704

    Give these guys a call or e-mail http://www.trecan.com they make snowmelters, I think the smallest is 20 to/hr, but it's quite portable. They also rent the units, I think the minimum is 4 months.
    They're built about an hour from me, and my buddy's welding shop has done fab work for them, they're an impressive unit.

    Bill
     
    Last edited: May 10, 2003
  15. Chuck Smith

    Chuck Smith 2000 Club Member
    from NJ
    Messages: 2,317

    As mentioned in another thread, don't forget fuel consumption. Snow melters eat up fuel fast. The larger units require a tanker right next to them to keep feeding the fire.

    ~Chuck