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SIMA vs ASCA?

Discussion in 'Business Fundamentals' started by beanz27, Dec 14, 2015.

  1. beanz27

    beanz27 Senior Member
    Messages: 984

    So guys that have joined either or both, is there any benefits, pitfalls, etc to joining SIMA or ASCA? I've joined SIMA, there was quite a bit of information, especially paperwork with SIMA.

    Considering ASCA, so guys that have joined it, what are your thoughts?

    For those not sure what I'm talking about:

    SIMA: Snow and Ice Management Association
    http://www.sima.org/

    ASCA: Accredited Snow Contractors Association
    https://www.ascaonline.org/about.aspx
     
  2. Wilnip

    Wilnip Senior Member
    Messages: 583

    I get a free magazine from SIMA. Never heard of ASCA.
     
  3. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,868

    Subscribed....
     
  4. Superior L & L

    Superior L & L PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,039

    You should join both, that way u can put their logos on all your bids and letter head. no one in the real work will know what it's about, but at least the organizations got your $500
     
  5. beanz27

    beanz27 Senior Member
    Messages: 984

    Tried that with SIMA lol, didn't affect a single bid at all.
     
  6. Superior L & L

    Superior L & L PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,039

    Weird, I thought by being a member you became a "snow professional".
     
  7. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,868

    You should have paid the big bucks to become a CSP, then you would be guaranteed to win every bid.
     
  8. BossPlow2010

    BossPlow2010 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,033

    At least CSP's are credible professionals who pay their contractors :eek:
     
  9. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,868

    You might want to retract that statement.

    The very first CSP, the creator of the original CSP test, is no other than John Allin.

    I know you're young and don't have the history that some of us do, but beware of broad comments such as the one you made.
     
  10. Superior L & L

    Superior L & L PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,039

    Lol I thought he was the snow king
     
  11. BossPlow2010

    BossPlow2010 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,033

    I was being sarcastic.
     
  12. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,868

    Dang, guess I need my sarcasm meter checked.
     
  13. derekslawncare

    derekslawncare PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,003

    So for us young pups, save us a bunch of time googling him and educate us. I've heard of him and seen some videos, but what is bad about him?
     
  14. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,868

    Wrong question: what's good aboot him.
     
  15. derekslawncare

    derekslawncare PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,003

    This isn't the first time that I have seen his name come up on here and the responses afterwards were always bad, so I just wondered why he was so disliked on here. The few videos that I have seen of him, I thought he was pretty knowledgeable, but maybe he just fooled me easier than he has you. Just was curious why he was hated so much.
     
  16. beanz27

    beanz27 Senior Member
    Messages: 984

    The way they make it sound.
     
  17. peteo1

    peteo1 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,659

    He is one of the guys who are to blame for $100 accounts going for $35 nowadays. He and a few others who are nationally known absolutely ruined the market here in Erie. Perfected the art of the lowball and hack job nationals
     
  18. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,868

    Long story.

    Suffice it to say, as Peteo1 said, JAA is the one who turned plowing into a commodity.
     
  19. basher

    basher PlowSite Fanatic
    from 19707
    Messages: 8,992

    As much as theses guys dislike JAA for some of his past actions he is a wealth of knowledge when it comes to the snow removal industry. His business mistakes in no way discredit that. His "Snow Fighters Institute' is teaching people to get better at snow removal in all aspects. It provides beginners the chance to learn lessons many of us had to learn the hard way and can provide a basis for newcomers to learn the business without costly mistakes.

    Some of these guy have no forgiveness and are still picking at 20 year old wounds, don't discount him, just don't sign any contracts. Hahaha

    SIMA offers excellent educational and networking opportunities while ASCA is working towards revised slip and fall legislation, and has testified before congress and meet with many lawmakers to try and bring some reasonable standards to what is perhaps the largest issue facing snow removal contractors.


    Release the Trolls
     
  20. derekslawncare

    derekslawncare PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,003

    Ok, well that makes since. I've only been plowing for 10yrs, so all that happened before I got into the industry. Thanks for explaining.