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Side wing, deluxe model

Discussion in 'ATV / UTV Snow Removal' started by MtnCowboy, Dec 23, 2010.

  1. MtnCowboy

    MtnCowboy Member
    Messages: 96

    After years of plowing a mile of narrow mountain road with a steep drop off and nowhere to put snow except over the edge, I finally figured out a way to manage the berm: a blade "wing." The contraption looks like the definition of stupid and was just an experiment to see how the ATV and blade would handle the lateral force before having something fabbed, such as a rolled steel wing.

    But since Nov 9 we've had 6 feet of snow and the berm is still small, so I haven't tried to improve on success. I'm just wondering what I should be keeping an eye out for, in terms of ATV/blade assembly damage. After a 2' snowfall, during berm reduction the plywood "wing" struck ice and the 2x4 that was clamped to the blade snapped completely in half! Finding no other damage ... I simply upgraded to a 2x6. The idea is to shave down the berm in multiple passes, not in one great shove.

    The Spruce Goose.JPG

    Berm.JPG
     
  2. vegaman04

    vegaman04 Senior Member
    Messages: 378

    I like the idea. If you worried about damaging the plow with the 2x6, you could put a small relief cut in, that would provide a breaking point if you did inevitably go off the path.
     
    Last edited: Dec 23, 2010
  3. JoeCool

    JoeCool Senior Member
    from Canada
    Messages: 214

    When you get it set up in steel you will find the weak point is going to be the push tubes to the frame. The wing will multiply the torque (leverage) that is twisting the blade and may overwhelm the tubes. You could also use a cable to the opposite side of the blade from the frame or rack (if it is strong enough) to help compensate for this added twist. I find the atv system is almost at capacity with a big blade if the blade is angled, simply too much force twisting. Good luck and keep the pics and updates coming.
     
    Last edited: Dec 23, 2010
  4. JoeCool

    JoeCool Senior Member
    from Canada
    Messages: 214

    I now have tracks, instead of having to push back as far as possible early in the season or "shelfing" I now just plow the drive and will straddle the windrow and shelf with the blade itself if necessary. Un-stoppable with the tracks and flotation is surprising.

    Nov 21, 2010 048.jpg
     
  5. gemarsh

    gemarsh Junior Member
    Messages: 16

    I have to ask, but if you get snow I'm sure you get ice. How are the tracks when you have an ice coating under the snow? Tracked tractors are worthless on ice. But everything is worthless on ice, until you put the chains on. Which you can't on tracks.

    Be Safe
    Gayle
     
  6. JoeCool

    JoeCool Senior Member
    from Canada
    Messages: 214

    That should be right, I agree about chains on tires, can't compare to tracks though as I haven't yet plowed with any amount of slippery ice. We usually are plowing on packed snow (ice) and seldom do we get a wet snow that might be a problem that way. For us here I would say non issue. I had chains on the quad and also on a loader and was night and day difference (as is tracks on quad vs. tires). When you guys get freezing and thawing cycles I guess you have more opportunities for the icy layer? We get early or late season cycles like that but seldom do I plow in either case. I am just a private drive guy and will let it set up if it is early season and just leave it to melt if it is late. Maybe this year will be different, warmest Christmas season I can remember, loving it. Cheers.
     
  7. IPLOWSNO

    IPLOWSNO PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,620

    joe, if ya get ice and ya think it will stay get some ice screws for an atv, if your cheap you can get sheetmetal screws but theyre not as hard.

    screw them in and take them out as needed.
     
  8. JoeCool

    JoeCool Senior Member
    from Canada
    Messages: 214

    Right IPLOWSNOW, this is season two for my tracks, no worries. With the 60" blade they seldom even slip when pushing and only then when pushing a huge lump in a windrow, then I just lift up and take the top part first. Ice screws are a great answer though if there is slipping with the tracks. Good call. Merry Christmas all.
     
  9. IPLOWSNO

    IPLOWSNO PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,620

    haha i figured you wouldn't just putting it out there for others as well and merry christmas to you and yours
     
  10. ALC-GregH

    ALC-GregH PlowSite.com Addict
    from pa
    Messages: 1,132

    If I'm going to get that crazy with tracks and all, I'd be getting a mini truck with tracks and plow. Something with heat in it. :D
     
  11. ProSeasons

    ProSeasons Senior Member
    Messages: 624

    Nice. I'll say it again, give me the guys with the brains everytime.
     
  12. ProSeasons

    ProSeasons Senior Member
    Messages: 624

    This is where you bring your rear brace into play......In MtnCowboy's case the 2x4 from the outer clamp to a secure mounting location on the rear of his ATV, same side.
    For prototype beta testing, of course!
     
  13. MtnCowboy

    MtnCowboy Member
    Messages: 96

    Thanks all. I'll keep dinking with it until things ice up. The push tubes probably are the weakest link and I'd rather bend those than damage the ATV frame or tranny.
     
  14. MtnCowboy

    MtnCowboy Member
    Messages: 96

    Update.

    Without further modification the "side wing" has worked well in keeping the berm manageable – or it did until I bent a half shaft recently in a little plowing incident and had to sideline the ATV. Aside from the road being a world class luge run right now (rain and freeze-thaw) the road is in fantastic shape for having seen 96" of snow this season. There are similar roads in the area that are severely closed in with berms and the only difference is my use of the "wing." As indicated in the pic I'm using my small tractor/blower until the ATV is back online.

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  15. IPLOWSNO

    IPLOWSNO PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,620

    that doesn't look like any fun cowboy, scary in a car actually i see what ya mean as far as pushing seperate piles though.

    you have to make a wing that will mount on a front aftermarket push bar and the back you could have mounted to your rear rack and make it telescope when ya need it, keeping it at the plow blade height,

    keep your eye on craiglist for a plow blade and if you can't have someone fab it up for you,

    i have a good picture in my head of how it would look and work.
     
  16. jmbones

    jmbones Senior Member
    from NE PA
    Messages: 236

    If you get a country or state style plow with the tapered end you would only need to go a little fast to throw that snow way over the edge and it won't pile up.
     
  17. MtnCowboy

    MtnCowboy Member
    Messages: 96

    iplowsnow: I've got several chains (including v bars) for the Jeep - plus it's a locker - so the wet ice isn't as scary as it is a PIA. I do intend to improve the "wing" next year. I'm just pleased that a simple 2x has worked so well.

    jmbones: I need one that throws left ... or both left and right... and every model I've seen throws right only. If you look at the first photo you can see that my plow as a rubber powder flap, behind which is pieces of bar stock. I bend the bar stock to create a "cyclone type" shape that throws to the left and I do plow at speed, up to 25 mph. It works to an extent but I may need to have a shop fab up a blade to do it properly.
     
  18. jmbones

    jmbones Senior Member
    from NE PA
    Messages: 236

  19. MtnCowboy

    MtnCowboy Member
    Messages: 96

    Thanks for the link.
     
  20. MRadke

    MRadke Member
    from WI
    Messages: 49

    If you have an old blade that's totaled, couldn't you cut it up and attach it with angle iron? I've often thought about adding a removable 2 ft wing for that very purpose. If you wanted to get fancy, I don't think it would be that hard to incorporate a trip spring for the wing.