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Shoes (again...)

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by SlimJim Z71, Nov 23, 2000.

  1. SlimJim Z71

    SlimJim Z71 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,031

    You guys with the polyurethane cutting edges... do you leave the shoes on to keep the edge from rolling while plowing? Theoreticly, I would think that if you set the shoes to just above the cutting edge (so it rests on the edge, but doesn't completely compress it) it may make it last longer??? Just a thought...

  2. plowking35

    plowking35 2000 Club Member
    from SE CT
    Messages: 2,923

    No need for shoes. At least not with my edges, there is a company out there named CUES that makes urethane edges , and they require that you run shoes. Our edges are used at airports on grooved runways and they last 5X that of carbon steel edges. The urethane is 10x more resistant to abrasion than steel, so they will hold the weight of the pplow, and resist the pavement scraping no problem.
    The keep the edge from rolling back, just dont extend more than 2" below the retainer plate, and you will be all set.

    PINEISLAND1 PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 664


    I plan to mount my u-edge two inches below my 'retainer plate', which is my current steel edge. The current steel edge extends about 2 inches below the moldboard. So, I will have 4 inches to the rear of the urethane that is not supported, and 2 inches to the front. Will that be OK?

  4. Lazer

    Lazer Senior Member
    Messages: 399

    I'm salivating reading about your cutter edges.

    Mine came in today, hope to get the 1st set mounted this weekend.

    My concern is that I bought them thru my buddy and not your MTS edges. If they show ANY signs of wear after the 1st night, I'm on the phone ordering yours. (in blue?)
  5. plowking35

    plowking35 2000 Club Member
    from SE CT
    Messages: 2,923

    Sorry I have been away for a while.
    You shouldnt have any trouble with the edge hanging below the moldboard. the material is pretty stout.
    Lazer let me know how you make out, I will be happy to help out anyway i can.
  6. GeoffD

    GeoffD PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 2,266

    I almost started a thead asking where Dino went.

  7. Lazer

    Lazer Senior Member
    Messages: 399

    They're ON, Dino! :)

    (This forum must affect me more than I thought, It'd have been a while before I'd bought polyurethane without your recommendations.)

    One thing I did learn this weekend in talking to a chemist is that polyurethanes are a whole family of compounds: The differences between different ones are as different as aluminum and cast-iron.

    Frankly I'm extremely leary of the ones I currently have. They seem too flexible and I've noticed considerable wear from the limited messing around I've done so far.

    Anyway, Dino, your number and that of MTS in the top drawer of my desk if these "knock-off" ones don't get it done.
  8. Lazer

    Lazer Senior Member
    Messages: 399

    Oh yeah, 1 more thing Dino:

    I went to the shop tonite and there's all these "homemade" cutter edges laying around with 2 guys holding another one on the drill press and another guy painting them.

    I asked my foreman what was going on and he said "You said these urethane edges can't extend below 2" below the plow so we're making these backer plates."

    Some 10 backer plates got manufacured today based on the above comment made by some guy name Dino whom I've never met.

    This discussion borad is starting to scare me. ;)
  9. GeoffD

    GeoffD PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 2,266


    Whats scares me, Is on sunday I sent out all my spreaders with pure salt, a very expensive choice. When my dad came by the shop, he saw a truck leaving with 100% pure salt. His response, why the He11 did you do that, you know the customers want sand, and thats all we use. My response, well everyone on lawnsite uses salt. His response, that Internet.

    Lazer, then again, didn't you buy Fords based on some of my knowledge?

  10. thelawnguy

    thelawnguy PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,011

    i would ask the same thing. Why use pure salt? At least the sand will give you some grip until the ice melts.
  11. landscaper3

    landscaper3 Senior Member
    Messages: 309

    We dont wear no stinkin shoes!! we dont run shoes on our plow trucks.
  12. Alan

    Alan PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,393

    Why use salt?

    Well,, lessee, you use salt because it's cheaper(IF you apply it right, does a better job and makes WAY less mess. Unless you are applying over gravel, where pure salt will melt into the surface more, the use of sand mix is nothing more than a demonstration of tradition, "We've ALWAYS used sand, and if it worked for Granddad it's good enough for me!"
  13. Chuck Smith

    Chuck Smith 2000 Club Member
    from NJ
    Messages: 2,317

    Some folks still like to slice their own bread too! ;)


    DYNA PLOW Senior Member
    Messages: 295

    AMEN to this forum! i will have a v plow with urethane edges next year if it kills me.only because you guys say they are the best.
    my life must have been dull before i found you guys!
    (said that to my wife when i met her)
  15. Lazer

    Lazer Senior Member
    Messages: 399


    The Ford decision was made some years ago. I just kept finding good deals on late-'80's Dodges, which are still my 1st choice for a snowplow truck. (No salters, of course)

    This year I finally bit the bullet and bought the 2 Fords.

    As far as the salt/sand thing goes, I think it makes sense to apply salt/sand combo, but NOBODY (here) does. The municipalities do, but I've never seen/talked to any contractor (here) who mixes sand in with their salt. I don't know if it has to do with clean-up or what, but it's gotta be cheaper with the combo.
  16. Alan

    Alan PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,393

    Unless you absolutely, positively, GOTTA have the sand in there for whatever instant traction it provides it is NOT cheaper to use mix in what should be a de-icing/anti-icing application. If you consider ONLY the material costs the mix comes out ahead but, if you figure the cost of the application, mix does NOT save money.
  17. Lazer

    Lazer Senior Member
    Messages: 399

    I'm just not involved enough with the salting end of our business to figure that out.

    More sand = less salt in the hopper.
    Less salt in the hopper = more trips back to the yard.

    + mix time, load time, sweeping in the spring.

    You're EXACTLY right Alan. I haven't learned my own lesson: TIME is King.
  18. Alan

    Alan PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,393

    Lazer, you got it! Now if I could only tell our town road foreman and get him to understand. The town next to us uses mostly straight salt. On any given storm they have bare rods faster and better traction all through the storm. It's easy to tell when you cross the Milton/Colchester line coming into Milton, the roads turn to crap instantly.