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Salting Rates Hamilton Ont Area

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by kellyd, Dec 20, 2012.

  1. kellyd

    kellyd Junior Member
    Messages: 9

    Hi there - firstly want to say that I've frequented the site over the last 3 years and appreciate the knowledge and advise given..

    I've been plowing as a sub contractor for the last 4 year, I've been asked if i want to bid on the salting... Can anyone give me an idea of the rates of salting within the Hamilton area. $100 hr plus cost of salt (bulk)?

    Advice on how many applications for a season.

    Thanks in advance for your comments... or the ones I HOPE TO GET.
     
  2. BC Handyman

    BC Handyman PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,865

    I can say that salt should be applied as needed, so you tell us how many.
    rates for salting? do you have your own truck? spreader? insurance? Or are you using their equipment?
     
  3. potskie

    potskie Senior Member
    from Ontario
    Messages: 769

    Most guys that I know of in southern Ontario are in the area of $165 a tonne spread, give or take a few bucks. Take the percentage the company you are subbing for likes to keep off the top of that number and you are probably in the ball park sorta maybe.
     
  4. kellyd

    kellyd Junior Member
    Messages: 9

    Thanks for the response... to make sure i understand.. cost of 1 ton of salt is $135, are you saying there would only be a $30 mark up.?
     
  5. kellyd

    kellyd Junior Member
    Messages: 9

    I'm only looking for guidance on an average for applications.. yes, all my own trucks, salters, blowers, spreader, atv's, insurance.etc
     
  6. potskie

    potskie Senior Member
    from Ontario
    Messages: 769

    That is some expensive salt. Like holy crap. Shop around a bit more I'me sure you'll find a much better price.
     
  7. goel

    goel PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,079

    Is that the Hbs cost? Does that include the after hours fee they charge?
     
  8. BC Handyman

    BC Handyman PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,865

    If your looking for what you should be making/charging As a sub I'd think around $60-$70/hr plus material if he not supplying material.
     
  9. JD Dave

    JD Dave PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,046

    Just out of curiousity how would you know what a sub should make in Hamilton?
     
  10. BC Handyman

    BC Handyman PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,865

    I don't know exactly but let's call it an educated guess. After the contractee takes/make some I'd figure it would/should be in that area, but it is a pretty saturated market so it might be a bit lower. Your closer then me(& alot more experianced) so am I far off?
     
  11. kellyd

    kellyd Junior Member
    Messages: 9

    Yes HBS - $130 reg hrs, $142 after hrs.
     
  12. kellyd

    kellyd Junior Member
    Messages: 9

    Unfortunately the company that I've been contracting for won't divulge the $$ that they make from their contracts so I really have no way of knowing what % they expect to keep off the top.

    Is there a standard - greedy vs fair.? :)
     
  13. kellyd

    kellyd Junior Member
    Messages: 9

    Our hrly rate is $90, I was wondering if there was a mark up on salt? Cheapest salt around per ton is $130.

    The contractor wants us to quote on salting all our current plowing contracts, so not by the hr, but included in our monthly agreements.

    I guess i can just add the additional hrs to the contract (whatever that might be), and see how it comes back. Although with the cost of salt, it doesn't seem worth the liability risk in additional profit.
     
  14. kellyd

    kellyd Junior Member
    Messages: 9

    I've shopped around.. $115 plus tax. What do you guys pay? I was told the $$ was in salting, when I run the numbers I disagree. Plus the risk of being sued is a lot greater if you hold the contract.
     
  15. JD Dave

    JD Dave PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,046

    It's difficult to put a number on spreading salt. It would really depend on how much your driving around. My take on it you should at least get what your hourly rate for plowing is and it seems that salting is more lucrative then plowing so that shouldn't be a problem. Not many sub plowing around here for 60-$70/hour so I'm thinking $80-100 depending on the size of blade and how reliable the sub is. Most contractors sub out plowing and salt themselves. For friends and other contractors if I'm just helping out or they're helping me out in a jam we just charge a $50/ton spreading fee on top of the salt.
     
  16. goel

    goel PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,079

    The last time I checked Hbs that was the price per yard, not per tonne. Big difference when purchasing salt, and its in there favour.
     
  17. potskie

    potskie Senior Member
    from Ontario
    Messages: 769

    I'm paying 85 a YD picked up no extra fees for time of day. Just $85 COD or $95 if I put it on my account.

    I didn't commit to any amounts either. That's the any joe walking in off the street price.

    This is kitchener yes but 1 hr away shouldn't make that much difference. Especially since a good chunk of the salt around here gets trucked from burlington.....
     
  18. kellyd

    kellyd Junior Member
    Messages: 9

    I was told by hbs that 1 yd is ~ a metric ton.. is that not correct?
    I understand that a m ton is a bit more than a ton..
     
  19. kellyd

    kellyd Junior Member
    Messages: 9

    hmmm - big difference... thanks for the info.
     
  20. goel

    goel PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,079

    Yd is 1400 to 1600
    Ton is 2000
    Tonne is 2200

    All approximate of course