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Salt Situation

Discussion in 'Ice Management' started by YBRT, Feb 27, 2009.

  1. YBRT

    YBRT Junior Member
    Messages: 2

    How is everyone’s current salt situation? Availability and price?
     
  2. Rc2505

    Rc2505 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,245

    I haven't a clue what the going rate is here right now. I should have enough to finish the season, and with any luck next years pricing will be back to normal.
     
  3. Burkartsplow

    Burkartsplow PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,245

    im straight over here in cleveland. I might have about a pallet left over after all and done with. I know i will have a pallet of calcium for walks left over. I will just use it next year. It wont take up much space. just a pallet size in the corner.
     
  4. ford6.9

    ford6.9 Senior Member
    Messages: 452

    Magic salt went up from $130 to $165. And normal salt around $125 at its peak, now back to around $85. Just saw an ad today in the paper.
     
  5. Jay brown

    Jay brown PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,783

    ton prices are $39.50 for fine and about $50 for rock road salt....unlimited supply...
     
  6. grasmancolumbus

    grasmancolumbus Senior Member
    Messages: 148

    Got some extra skids of 50's any one interested let me know! prob 10-12 extra in Columbus
     
  7. Ipushsnow

    Ipushsnow Senior Member
    Messages: 314

    Jay you make me want to look into bringing a few rail cars in at that price. Everyone still around 140 per ton up here. Talked to north American and Cargill they both said they "Might" be selling left over salt at the end of the season, but would still be around $100 per ton.

    As far as this year I should have a couple tons left over.
     
  8. Jay brown

    Jay brown PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,783

    it's not all glory, still gotta truck it 300 miles.....i've got about 125 ton in the bin and i think we are just about done with snow after tonight...
     
  9. YBRT

    YBRT Junior Member
    Messages: 2

    Sounds like everyone is just about to make it through this ridiculously high priced year! wesport I would think next year most everyone sohuld be back under $80.00 per ton
     
  10. Ipushsnow

    Ipushsnow Senior Member
    Messages: 314

    YBRT,
    Don't get your hopes up too high for a return to low prices next year. In talking to the 2 salt companies they both quoted "around $100 per ton" and this is left over salt I would be buying in June/July. They said they like to keep 2 years worth of salt at the major city ports, and even with an average snow amount this year they are no where near that. That's why they don't even know if they will sell what they have left this year, they are trying to re-stock that 2 year supply.

    We'll see. It can't stay this high forever, or can it????????//
     
  11. leon

    leon Senior Member
    Messages: 872

    salt etc.

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    Repeating myself:

    You will not see several million tons of salt stock piled at fresh water port port cities as it take up a lot of valuable space.

    The ship, truck and rail loading system at Sifto Salt in Goderich, Ontario is filled with a three dome salt storage system.


    Salt delivery by rail or barge is charged by the ton with an additional fuel surcharge last year UPRR freight charges were $64.00 per net ton plus the fuel surcharge it does not matter how many railcars of salt are ordered. the class one, two, and three rail roads have mutual agreements to deliver any frieght at one price- hence the one price per ton figure with the primary carier being UPRR or NS or BNSF or CSX,

    The salt season runs from September 1 to May one during the contiguos calender years.

    The mining companies will not talk to you as they will wait until all the municipal contracts are opened and they know how much salt they must mine and stockpile and any other sale are nothing but milk runs if they have the salt.

    The "early bird sales" involving selling salt prior to the major at a discount are always done every year.

    Every municipality, every one, runs out of salt simply because they do not and will not store enough salt for thier snow and ice season leaving that up to the mines and regional stock piles of the mines to store the potential salt needed.


    As usual the salt mining companies are taking advantage of you by raising market prices legally gouging you legally using the huge seasonal demand and raising prices simply due to the structure of the state and municipal contracts they have.

    The mining companies arer obliged due to their contracts to supply up to and beyond 125 percent of the tonnage desired -bid upon in the contracts they bid upon.

    The small users meaning "All Of You" always lose.

    I have mentioned and posted web links to national co-op organizations and in that forming regional salt buying co-ops will help all of you tremendously giving you buying power and no price spikes from your suppliers.

    It is simple way to reduce your expenses-maintain a level price during the season and use the market to your advantage to avoid being gouged by either a major supplier or a minor one.

    I will have the salt producers lists available soon along with the co-op web links in a file to up load for your use.

    It is no different than deciding which end of the horn you want be on during the running of the bulls at Pamplona, Spain.

    Unless you act in unison as a group, or several groups, the existing free market economy will continue to do the same thing to you, year after year, after year after year, as it does every year.

    If you went to Canadian Rock Salt as a large buying co-op you will be dealing with a Morton Salt subsidiary and you could buy several freighters or trains of salt from the mine in the Magdelan Islands or Windsor Salt or Canadian Rock Salt in Pugwash Nova Scotia.


    Leon
     
    Last edited: Feb 28, 2009
  12. BigJohnsonPlow

    BigJohnsonPlow Junior Member
    Messages: 16

    I paid 153/ton at the Mississippi river terminal at the beginning of the season. Totally revamped everthing to sand-salt mix because of it. Don't know what it's doing now. Hope for better next year.
     
  13. 10elawncare

    10elawncare Senior Member
    Messages: 291

    I paid $106 salt & $160 for Magic Salt. And $55 for Sand/Salt. No one sprayed their piles with magic salt so it was kinda tough to find that for this past storm.
     
  14. Longae29

    Longae29 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,953

    Our bin is about 1/3 full. Couple more saltings and it'll all be gone. Thank goodness we stocked up, just too bad we had to pay so much for it at the time................$100 a ton delivered now, just read an ad on craigslist.