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Salt shortage

Discussion in 'Ice Management' started by dhadaway632, Feb 24, 2014.

  1. dhadaway632

    dhadaway632 Member
    Messages: 45

    Hello, not been active in quite sometime here because all we do is plow, fix trucks, sleep and repeat here in sunny Michigan. Have run into a serious issue with a salt shortage here in our area. Is this effecting you guys/gals as well?
     
  2. RLM

    RLM PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,270

    I believe it a national issue, I'm about an hours drive from one of the largest mines in the country. They said they had 700,000 tons at the mine itself all depots filled at start of winter, their stockpile is down to roughly what will fit under a 20'x20' tarp I'm told. They are running 24 hrs a day & can't get salt out of the ground fast enough to keep up with demand.
     
  3. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,922

    Let's try this again.

    If you're just hearing about it now, you're fortunate?

    Happy?
     
  4. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    If they would stop building so many McDonald's,there would be plenty of salt to go around.
     
  5. RRSNWRML

    RRSNWRML Junior Member
    Messages: 2

    I have over 1000 ton available for purchase in muskegon, mi. Call 231 two06-987four.
     
  6. SnowGuy73

    SnowGuy73 PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 24,868

    National issue, sir.
     
  7. RRSNWRML

    RRSNWRML Junior Member
    Messages: 2

    i know. just thought if anybody in my state needed some salt i have overages.
     
  8. Gus64

    Gus64 Junior Member
    Messages: 17

    Difficult to get here in PA...some folks have it and are selling it at ridiculous mark-ups but that is supply and demand...
     
  9. siteworkplus

    siteworkplus Senior Member
    from mass
    Messages: 514

    I gotta ask... Do you feel this shortage is legitimate due to extreme weather-manufactured-or a little of both?

    My salt usage is up this year, but not close to my heaviest year. We've had worse (or better) winters before.

    Did we all have banner years at the same time?

    What is your plan for next season in terms of stockpiling/supply?

    Wonder where pricing will be?
     
  10. cda817

    cda817 Senior Member
    Messages: 284

    We have nearly doubled our annual usage. According to our supplier the shortage will continue into next year unless we have a light winter and that should reset the system. The problem is that the mines have nothing on the ground and are already saying they cannot meet municipal and state orders for winter 2014-15 because most are significantly increasing there stockpiles.

    Fortunately we have not had a supply shortage as our distributor hauls directly from the mines and when they ran out he has started sourcing from as far away as Bangor, ME. (However, We went from 90-200/ton) but we have not had a problem getting product. Next year we are going to build a bin to better insulate us from the price changes.
     
  11. Gus64

    Gus64 Junior Member
    Messages: 17

    My opinion is that there is just too much demand for the salt right now and these shipping ports don't have enough delivery personnel to handle it. I use Oceanport in Delaware and have heard it is a zoo there when the ships arrive: long lines of trucks waiting to get loaded all day long...
     
  12. siteworkplus

    siteworkplus Senior Member
    from mass
    Messages: 514

    Just like gas...Don't expect these prices to return to normal anytime soon, if at all.
     
  13. nighthawk117

    nighthawk117 Senior Member
    from Ma
    Messages: 165

    It's my understanding that a lot of the salt went south due to the extreme weather that was occurring and they do not have stock piles there because they don't normally get that kind of weather. I have also noticed that a lot of companies don't carry as much stock as in the past due to the upfront cost expenditure. There seems to be such a gross overuse of salt in today's society that many seem to need bare pavement at all times and can not slow down or deal with the weather as it comes, and all liability lands in the lap of the contractors unfortunately. I continue to watch state and town trucks running convoys with plows down and salt pouring out as the following trucks plow the slush and salt right to the shoulder Thumbs Up . I have looked at some dated satellite photos and noticed that stock piles were never really depleted as they have been this season, or restocked for that matter. We shall see what the future holds ;)
     
  14. siteworkplus

    siteworkplus Senior Member
    from mass
    Messages: 514

    X2 with the state over usage w/ salt

    Thats why you dont see white pines along any highways

    the cars today cant handle the slightest icy conditions, unlike the tanks of my youth

    Its all a Gov't and Detroit conspiracy to rot out the frames and bodies of our trucks and cars
     
  15. Masssnowfighter

    Masssnowfighter Senior Member
    from ma
    Messages: 203

    That is a very interesting conspiracy theory you have.... The government is invested in GM so it would be in there best interest to rot our vehicles out from underneath us so we can keep this pathetic economy afloat with new vehicle purchases.
     
  16. nighthawk117

    nighthawk117 Senior Member
    from Ma
    Messages: 165

    LOL, the bailout money came from China ! So I don't think this is a viable theory, we can't lend money we don't have.
     
  17. derekbroerse

    derekbroerse 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,377

    If you want to talk about over use of salt, blame the lawyers and frivolous lawsuits with big payouts... everyone is scared of being sued. Literally, lawyers have ruined the world...
     
  18. SnoDaddy

    SnoDaddy Senior Member
    from ohio
    Messages: 138

    30 years ago no one bitched if there was a coating of snow on a lot. nowadays, you have to have salt down for fluff. its a joke.
     
  19. Masssnowfighter

    Masssnowfighter Senior Member
    from ma
    Messages: 203

    I did read that the whole "cash for clunkers" program was designed by the Chinese as a way for the US to pay them back in recycled steel instead of worthless paper dollars.
     
  20. Ramairfreak98ss

    Ramairfreak98ss PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,905

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    So true in NJ... it keeps the crews busy.. but i agree from an environmental conscious standpoint, its very excessive.

    International salt, our main bulk supplier, told us in early February we were on hold, waiting for 100 tons.. then we got 50 tons two weeks later with a little pull because of one transit account... by that point three of our sites with 50 tons each were depleted to nothing, now all sharing one 50 ton pile.. blew through it in two weeks. We're using scraps left over now, including some really old pallets of bagged rock salt, blended stuff too.

    Very big salt storage building will be needed going forward, can't run in this business without one with this type of season.