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Salt Sand mix

Discussion in 'Ice Management' started by pbones27, Dec 29, 2012.

  1. pbones27

    pbones27 Junior Member
    Messages: 25

    Anyone run sand in their salt? Seen a few things about it. Is it legal here in NE Ohio?
    What are the advantages/disadvantages?

  2. jvm81

    jvm81 Senior Member
    from Midwest
    Messages: 381

    I do all the time. Really only thing we run. We get it from another company. They mix it 3 to1. Real nonprofit or cons I guess. Its just what we use.
  3. MSS Mow

    MSS Mow Senior Member
    from Maine
    Messages: 981

    I put salt in my sand. About 85/15 sand/salt mix.
  4. 2COR517

    2COR517 PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 7,115

    The big advantage of running salt in your sand is that it keeps the sand from freezing. I have run it as cold as 10 or 12 to 1 with no issues. Another advantage of salt in the sand is that it will help melt the snow/ice left behind. This is a good thing on asphalt or concrete. Too much salt on gravel however will soften the gravel enough that you might pull some up next time you plow. I had many gravel accounts so I kept my sand mix cold and just ran straight salt on the hard surfaced locations when extra melting was needed.
  5. sven1277

    sven1277 Senior Member
    Messages: 478

    I used to. A few years ago I switched to straight treated salt and haven't looked back. I find straight salt more effective and less messy for the customer. A lot less cleanup in the spring. I keep a few bags of tube sand for my driveway because its gravel. I would never consider switching back. Just another perspective to consider.
  6. Dewey

    Dewey Senior Member
    Messages: 438

    I run my sand/salt 14-1 What Cor says pretty much sums it up !!
  7. dfd9

    dfd9 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,475

    Unless you're plowing and treating gravel lots\drives, you're wasting your money and time, your customer's money and time and a whole lotta sand.

    There are a lot of disadvantages and as I stated only 1 advantage, unpaved lots\drives.
  8. pbones27

    pbones27 Junior Member
    Messages: 25

    Thanks guys, I currently run straight salt..was just thinking about it as a way to save some money on salt cost. No one around here runs it as far as I know
  9. dfd9

    dfd9 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,475

    If you're using straight salt now, and are happy, then don't bother as you will NOT be happy going backwards.
  10. 2COR517

    2COR517 PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 7,115

    Agreed. The exception would be an ice storm or a neglected surface and you need immediate traction.
  11. Spool it up

    Spool it up Senior Member
    Messages: 912

    tends to lay and settle at the bottom of inlets . although a small ratio wouldnt hurt in an ice event . i like to use screenings myself .
  12. siteworkplus

    siteworkplus Senior Member
    from mass
    Messages: 514

    I run a sand/salt mix per customer request(50/50 mix for better ice control). Yes, spring clean-up is an issue(i get paid for that too) but I find that the sand really helps against over-nite re-freeze and black ice events for pedestrian traffic
  13. dfd9

    dfd9 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,475

    You do realize this is impossible, don't you?

    Sand doesn't melt anything.
  14. siteworkplus

    siteworkplus Senior Member
    from mass
    Messages: 514

    Come on REALLY!! It does provide some traction so you dont fall on your arse as easily. Did I really sound like that much of an idiot?
  15. dfd9

    dfd9 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,475

    You said sand helps against refreeze and black ice.
  16. siteworkplus

    siteworkplus Senior Member
    from mass
    Messages: 514

    for pedestrian traffic. Sorry i wasn't more clear. My bad.When the black ice settles in, the left over grit can help until you can get back to do more ice control. We have a 24/7 site with high pedestrian traffic at all hours. safety is paramount. Just trying to relay some insight to the benefits of sand.Hope this was helpful. Good luck to all this season.
  17. kmamark2000

    kmamark2000 Senior Member
    Messages: 101

    There are some very interesting information here. I too have been thinking about mixing sand with my salt. I have two large accounts (with heavy truck traffic). Was thinking about a 50/50 mix of salt/sand. I live in an area where sand is abundant and is everywhere.. No one else in my area uses sand except the street and highway departments. they use a salt/sand mix at all intersections and a brine before the a storm.
  18. BUFF

    BUFF PlowSite Fanatic
    from FR NoCo
    Messages: 6,788

    I run 70/30 Sand/Melt, I use a pit run called squeegee which is pretty coarse which is a great traction aid on loading docks, intersections and aprons.
  19. highclimber604

    highclimber604 Junior Member
    Messages: 19

    We run 3 yard sand to 1 yard of salt if we are doing a traditional sanding application. Sometimes we mix it hotter, more salt, less sand if its very icy and cold. But if its going to warm up the next day a 3:1 radio is fine. You also always need to keep your budget in the back of your mind. Salt is very expensive so you need to be careful. The bottom line profit can go quick if not mixed properly. Always mix it yorself because its your money, not employees.