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Rubber cutting edge

Discussion in 'Western Plows Discussion' started by Jeepjimmy, Jan 14, 2011.

  1. Jeepjimmy

    Jeepjimmy Member
    from ny
    Messages: 57

    anyone use a rubber cutting edge? thinking about it. if so where is the best place to buy from. thanks!
     
  2. RepoMan207

    RepoMan207 PlowSite Fanatic
    from Maine
    Messages: 5,033

    On what plow are you planning on using it on....this makes a big difference.
     
  3. GripTruk

    GripTruk Senior Member
    Messages: 374

    I am in the same boat sort of, I am strongly considering a rubber or Urethane edge but I am strongly dissuaded by the high price of entry for something I am not sure of and may not like. What I really can't tell is how the rubber and urethane scrape. I'm sure they work great with fine powder, but how about wet snow, what about stuff that's been driven over by some cars already? I understand Urethane is less flexible and more durable, and therefor more expensive. I know the rubber edges on my wings seem to like to ride up over stuff, sometimes enough to lift the entire blade off the surface so the main edge is not cutting anymore. I am worried about this type of behavior with a non-metal edge.
    What is attracting me is the fact that unfortunately I do a number of gas stations and a few places with nasty manhole covers so I'd really like something more pliable that doesn't feel and sound like it's gonna pry the holding tanks out of the ground at the gas stations. Also, I think something flexible might do better with all the uneven ground I tend to encounter.
    I really do like cutting all the way down to clean pavement and I wonder if that would be a thing of the past if I went away from a steal edge.

    Plow is a 7.5 straight blade. (with pro wings)
     
  4. South Seneca

    South Seneca Senior Member
    Messages: 474

    Would the covers at the gas station break the urethane edge?
     
  5. GripTruk

    GripTruk Senior Member
    Messages: 374

    I don't really know, they don't break the steel edge, but it's a hell of a hit sometimes. I was under the impression that urethane was extremely impact resistant. My feeling was the rubber or urethane would flex over it rather than digging in to it like the steel edge does.

    -Jer
     
  6. RepoMan207

    RepoMan207 PlowSite Fanatic
    from Maine
    Messages: 5,033

    If your using your plow enough to warrant wings....you shouldn't be going to a rubber edge.
     
  7. GripTruk

    GripTruk Senior Member
    Messages: 374

    Can you explain that a little further? Are you saying the rubber will wear out too fast? would going to urethane avoid that?

    -Jer
     
  8. RepoMan207

    RepoMan207 PlowSite Fanatic
    from Maine
    Messages: 5,033

    Your not going to get anywhere near as good of a scrape for one. As far as life span goes, I can't honestly say on a rubber edge, as I have no experience, but with the urethane I can tell you for certainty that they will wear just as fast, especially so if your using your plow enough to utilize wings. Then there is always the replacement cost as youv'e mentioned....I thnk they have there place in the market, but commercial is not one of them.
     
  9. Jeepjimmy

    Jeepjimmy Member
    from ny
    Messages: 57

    7.5 western unimount.. do mainly just parking lots and was thinking it would be good to clean up good with?
     
  10. mishnick

    mishnick 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,243

    Rubber / urathane cutting edges??? I have been working with Western plows and large highway wing, front blade and belly scrappers for a number of years but have never seen or heard or this. Is this something generally used in the milder weather in the US? Here in Canada I have only ever seen rubber used in the middle of V plows between two metal cutting edges on the wings.
     
  11. RepoMan207

    RepoMan207 PlowSite Fanatic
    from Maine
    Messages: 5,033

    They're general used on home based plows....or light use applications. They're not used in commercial applications as they don't perform, or last....
     
  12. RepoMan207

    RepoMan207 PlowSite Fanatic
    from Maine
    Messages: 5,033

    If your doing long runs at a time, you'll wear through it fairly quickly. As it heats up due the friction, it is susceptible to quicker wear.
     
  13. mishnick

    mishnick 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,243

    I had a closer look at the Western website and actually found them in the accesories. Of course they claim that they last longer than steel. I also noticed that the wideout actually comes from the factory with ploy cutting edges on the extensions. At the place where I work we have never installed any either because our salespersone doesn't bother to promote them, or possibly because as you guys say, because they don't actually last as long as steel. I kinda wish I actually owned my own plow / sander so I could get some time in as an operator. I build, install and repair them but have only actually plowed our own parking lot a few times with customer's plows to verify my repairs were good. Thanks for the insight guys, this site is becoming a great training aid. Being the only Western mechanic at my shop I am the go to guy, but who do I go to? I go to the plowsite!
     
  14. RepoMan207

    RepoMan207 PlowSite Fanatic
    from Maine
    Messages: 5,033

    Are you factory trained, or did you just pick it all up via experince?
     
  15. Plowfixguys

    Plowfixguys Senior Member
    Messages: 222

    I have installed a few ploy edges only to have owner come back after a few snow falls because the edge chipped out and wont clean very well and want the steel back. What I have done to help out was lower the steel edge to about .75 inch above the lower edge of the ploy so it is stiffer seems like that helps but it still chips out. Those customers use that plow only for brick pave drives. I also have customers that uses the poly edge snow pushers, they are better then rubber but still get beat up by manhole covers and potholes. I don't think you would be satisfied with poly for your stations.IMO
     
  16. mishnick

    mishnick 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,243

    Am I factory trained? Yes I took the Western course a few years back and I work in a shop in Calgary Alberta where I am the primary Western mechanic. I have been doing this every winter for about seven years. Our shop typically builds & installs about 40 to 60 plows every winter. Lots of ice breakers and tornado sanders too. On top of that we build the big plows & sanders for the City of Calgary and Edmonton as well as the big highway front plows with the side wings for Vloker Stephan and Carmac. My primary role is installing the electronics and setting up the hydraulics although I am trained to build them from the ground up. I am the only licensed HD mechanic in the shop, the others are either welders, apprentices or labourers.
     
  17. snocrete

    snocrete Banned
    Messages: 2,862

    IIRC, urethane was originally developed for use at airports....I'm pretty sure most large airports run urethane equipped plows/pushers. I would consider that heavy commercial work. On larger equipment you will typically see 2 inch thick material(maybe more?). 1.5in thick would work well for trucks & SS's. Urethane can be expensive though.
     
  18. snocrete

    snocrete Banned
    Messages: 2,862

    No...as long as the edge is put on correctly

    Your feelings are correct

    That defeats the whole purpose IMO.


    Not saying the answer for the OP is urethane...just pointing out some things I noticed.
    We use urethane on some of our equipment, and its great....on other stuff we run I would never waste my time/$ on it.
     
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2011
  19. RepoMan207

    RepoMan207 PlowSite Fanatic
    from Maine
    Messages: 5,033

    Really? I would think they're a different compound then...the handful of ones I've seen are shot to crap within the first year.
     
  20. snocrete

    snocrete Banned
    Messages: 2,862

    Exactly....just like steel or rubber there are higher/lower quality suppliers. I have had rubber edges from one supplier last one season....and others from another supplier last 6+.