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Resort plowing schedule

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by afalk, Oct 14, 2008.

  1. afalk

    afalk Junior Member
    Messages: 19

    Wondering if anyone has any suggestions on a schedule for plowing. I need to have 24/7 coverage with around 30 staff members. NO OVERTIME is allowed
     
  2. SnoFarmer

    SnoFarmer PlowSite Fanatic
    from N,E. MN
    Messages: 8,518

    Easy one, you schedule them to show up 1/2 hr to an hr before your trigger depth is reached.

    If it's not snowing there not working.
    Kind of like a fire dept except you do not pay them for waiting.
     
  3. afalk

    afalk Junior Member
    Messages: 19

    That would be alright except all people on staff are full time and need forty hours each week.
     
  4. SnoFarmer

    SnoFarmer PlowSite Fanatic
    from N,E. MN
    Messages: 8,518

    Can you schedule when the snow falls?

    Then I guess you have to be an active manager.
    When a snow is forecasted you send everyone home and tell them to report back at what 2am?
    Then who does their job, or who works for them when they are plowing??

    Some times it snows and it wasn't forcasted?
    Then what?

    snow = overtime or hire some people just for snow removal
    Hire it out?

    next, if your guaranteeing staff 40hrs a week then stop paying them hourly and put them on a salary and don't worry about the over time..
     
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2008
  5. afalk

    afalk Junior Member
    Messages: 19

    Being that we cover 100+ acres there is always something to do. I guess I was looking for a mock schedule that someone had.
     
  6. RLM

    RLM PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,270

    Is this a college or somthing ?
     
  7. bltp203

    bltp203 Senior Member
    Messages: 484

    Run 12 hour shifts. You can decide how many to work during the day and night. In order to keep it at 80 hours in 2 weeks each employee needs to have 1 day be an 8 hour day during that pay period.
     
  8. afalk

    afalk Junior Member
    Messages: 19

    This is a resort casino. Thanks for the 12 hour shift suggestion. That may just work.
     
  9. 04superduty

    04superduty PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,354

    three 12 hour shifts and one 4 hour shift. still leaves some uncovered time, but if you stagger their start times it wont. good luck figuring this one out.
     
  10. elite1msmith

    elite1msmith 2000 Club Member
    from chicago
    Messages: 2,762

    30 guys? have you hired these ppl already? just wondering how a currently empolyed person , would feel about being put on night shift, without OT , or some type of special pay?

    i would do 3--- 8 hour shifts...

    8 guys on the two day shifts, = 16 , plus a night shift of 6 guys,.... that will give every one 2 days off... almost.... and they rotate


    i know what the park distric does here, when snow is predicted... they dont even have a "night shift"

    they jsut sent them home early the day before, they come in at 4 am , or when ever , when they are done plowing , they stay at least 8 hours to get there full shift in , then get sent home your guys should be almost done cleaning up after 8 hours, if not call the next shift of guys in

    one thing no one asked:::: HOW MANY guys do you need to preform your snow operation....when it snows during , and after to clean up? you can schedual all you want .... but if you need all 30 guys ...then the schedual thing isnt gonna work too well.
     
  11. hydro_37

    hydro_37 PlowSite Veteran
    from iowa
    Messages: 3,790

    Kind of hard not to get overtime if it is a huge snow storm that lasts for days. And there is cleanup even after the storm.
     
  12. Tommy10plows

    Tommy10plows Senior Member
    Messages: 345

    "next, if your guaranteeing staff 40hrs a week then stop paying them hourly and put them on a salary and don't worry about the over time.."

    is a careless statement that will end up giving you plenty of headaches if an employee complains to your state labor board. Don't do that. You will be on the hook for the overtime anyway.

    Better idea is to stagger your starting times and hours by employee. With thirty employees, you can have a percentage start an hour later each day, for example, 20 % or six employees, and rotate the starting times of the entire group, so that you will build up a time block during each pay period which you can use for storm management. That will give you a buffer in adavance of the storm for each week where you are possibly going to get a storm. For this to work, you should take action in the two days before a storm is scheduled to hit, shortening the day for a certain number of your employees.

    The same is true after the storm passes. Keep your employees on a modified schedule, stagger starting times, have employees work 6 hour, or seven hour shifts on the days followig a storm to keep your payroll in balance. Make sure everyone takes their required lunch or other breaks so that you are not liable down the road for that time as well. That happens when you "suffered or permitted" an employee to work through lunch, for example, by sitting at their desk taking phone calls when it is their lunch period. If that happens it is considered compensable time for your employee. Breaks are non-compensable time.
     
  13. Gicon

    Gicon Senior Member
    from MA
    Messages: 989

    Man, you are going to loose a lot of money this winter guaranteeing 30 guys, 40 hours a week. Oh man. Why are you doing that to yourself? What if it doesn’t snow? Can you afford that hit??? Trying to make a schedule for snow is almost impossible because you cannot predict the start times of storms, or end times. You would be better off trying to land airplanes.....
     
  14. RLM

    RLM PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,270

    I am assuming this is Turning Stone ? Are you an in house manager or a contractor? These are key points. Alot of in house properties go through this, it gets even more complicated once unions get involved, etc.
     
  15. elite1msmith

    elite1msmith 2000 Club Member
    from chicago
    Messages: 2,762


    in some states, a "fixed wadge or salary" can only be legally given to a manager or higher...even putting a supervisorr on "salary" is pushin gthe limits

    the reason i wanted to know if they were new guys or existing , was how much can you mess with there pay. existing employees might be tuff... but hes what i would try on new ones,,,


    lets say your budget is 15 per hour on each guy.... well pay them $10 per hour, then always give them over time... so it equals 15 , you might have to explain that to them and how it works. eitherway they get 15. now this will eliminate the time/half deal , but will not limit the hours. you still would need to work out a scheudal
     
  16. afalk

    afalk Junior Member
    Messages: 19

    This is an inhouse deal. We also maintain all the turf, ornamental beds, parking lots, an RV park, a smaller motel, and three championship golf courses here at the resort. So giving the guys 40 hours a week is no problem, we have plenty to do if its not snowing. Some overtime will be allowed but not a whole lot. No unions here either. I'll keep you posted on how this works out thanks for all the suggestions.
     
  17. elite1msmith

    elite1msmith 2000 Club Member
    from chicago
    Messages: 2,762

    you never answer my other question, HOW MANY guys do you acctually need to clean up after it snows, and how many to keep it clean during ?
     
  18. afalk

    afalk Junior Member
    Messages: 19

    I would need at least 7 people during the storm to plowsalt and do sidewalks. 5 people to clean up after the storm which you should not have to do if you have good people during the storm.
     
  19. elite1msmith

    elite1msmith 2000 Club Member
    from chicago
    Messages: 2,762

    umm, unless you are heavily over manned , or are appling LOTS of salt , there is always clean up to do once it stops snowing.... most of the time , the crew that does the snow "during" the event can jsut finish cleaning it up. But you need to think in terms of blizzard conditions. How many guys to keep it open, ow many after. in those conditions, when it snows for a long time, you would need multiple shifts

    so if you say 7 during , then i would say 7-9 after it stops, possibly? are you spreading salt during? or only after? are you cleaning each enterance by hand , or just plowing the basic walks, and cleaning main enterences.... I dont do everything while its snowing, just the main stuff. so after i need more guys
     
  20. SnoFarmer

    SnoFarmer PlowSite Fanatic
    from N,E. MN
    Messages: 8,518

    It surw would have been nice to have the rest of the details form the OP in his first post.

    :rolleyes:some states maybe but most will let you put just about anyone on salery........

    Which employees can be paid on a salary basis?

    Any employee can be paid on any basis
    – salary, hourly, commission, piece-rate, flat rate as long as they receive minimum wage for all hours worked in the pay period, and as long as overtime is paid when required . Overtime is usually required at time and one-half the regular rate of pay for hours worked in excess of 40 in a week. There is a provision in the overtime regulations ( Chapter DWD 274, Wisconsin Administrative Code) that “exempts” employees whose primary duty is administrative, executive, or professional work from overtime requirements. One of the requirements for each of these types of work to meet the exemption is that they are paid on a salary basis.

    http://www.dwd.state.wi.us/er/labor_standards_bureau/publication_erd_13109_p.htm
     
    Last edited: Oct 15, 2008