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Replacing Fittings on Western, thread tape & elbows?

Discussion in 'Western Plows Discussion' started by Flyboy77, Dec 9, 2014.

  1. Flyboy77

    Flyboy77 Senior Member
    Messages: 126

    I have a Western 8' conventional with electronic joystick. One of the hoses connected to pump body has an elbow pointing up when fully tightened and stressing the hose when plow lowered. I can decrease the angle by putting straight couple between housing and quick connect. Should I put Teflon tape on threads or just tighten?
    How do you normally deal with elbows pointed the wrong direction?
     
  2. dieselss

    dieselss PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,943

    Your not supposed to use tape, liquid.
    Elbows in wrong direction,,,, see a doctor asap
     
  3. linckeil

    linckeil PlowSite.com Addict
    from CT
    Messages: 1,265

    either get a longer hose, or the correct swivel elbow (or both). dont add a coupler.
     
  4. dieselss

    dieselss PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,943

    He's got a unimount pump on a conventional plow has to add fittings
     
  5. SnoFarmer

    SnoFarmer PlowSite Fanatic
    from N,E. MN
    Messages: 8,466

    hydraulic fittings do not make a seal at the threads so tape is useless.
    but plumbing fittings like the where the fitting screws into the ram could need tape to seal as the threads make the seal.

    a longer hose? is this the stock hose or a replacement hose?
     
  6. linckeil

    linckeil PlowSite.com Addict
    from CT
    Messages: 1,265

    i think we're getting hung up on semantics. fittings (elbows) are needed regardless whether it's a unimount or conventional. a quick disconnect is only needed for a conventional setup.

    what the OP said was he wants to "put a straight couple between housing and quick connect". so he already has the quick disconnect as he would need with a conventional setup, but it sound like he wants to add a section of straight pipe in order to take stress of the hose. at least thats how i interepreted it.... and i would not recommend that. i would suggest a longer hose and/or the proper swivel fitting. a picture of the setup would do wonders in getting the correct answer.

    a swivel elbow fitting would allow the elbow to "swivel" to where it needs to point, as opposed to a fixed elbow, which points whatever direction it is once tightened (sometimes you get lucky with a fixed elbow fitting and when it's tight, its pointing where you want it).
     
  7. linckeil

    linckeil PlowSite.com Addict
    from CT
    Messages: 1,265

    here's a pic i had in a different thread of my SEHP (unimount style) pump with a conventional setup and quick disconnects.

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  8. dieselss

    dieselss PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,943

    Ok I gotcha. Misinterpreted the words
     
  9. Flyboy77

    Flyboy77 Senior Member
    Messages: 126

    The solution I came up with was replace the 90* elbow with a straight. Here's the pic of what I was talking about. The one hose is pointing straight up because the elbow when tight points straight up.

    Many of the elbows, even ones with swivel heads have the swivel after the 90* elbow, which could still end up pointing in the wrong direction.

    8ft_Western_plow-LiftFrame-Pump-small2.jpg
     
  10. Flyboy77

    Flyboy77 Senior Member
    Messages: 126

    I'm using a new, original hose bought from the Western dealer. He said it's the right length, manual says 38". Quick connect on one end and direct thread on the other. The length would be fine if the 90* elbow didn't point it the wrong way.
     
  11. Flyboy77

    Flyboy77 Senior Member
    Messages: 126

    Just in case, here's the A-Frame where hoses connect. These 90* elbows are pointed in a helpful direction.

    A-Frame_small.jpg
     
  12. Flyboy77

    Flyboy77 Senior Member
    Messages: 126

    Number 17 in this pick is the straight coupling that the dealer sold me to replace the 90* elbow.
    Is this the recommended solution to fix the stressed hose issue in the above pic at the housing connection? Any other suggestions?

    plow_couplings.jpg
     
  13. linckeil

    linckeil PlowSite.com Addict
    from CT
    Messages: 1,265

    take a look at the picture i posted. you see how the rear hose on mine uses the top port on the block? you are using the side port for this rear hose, which is going to increase the distance the hose needs to extend. try using the top port as i pictured along with a 90 degree elbow. i used a fixed elbow here and got it rotated to the proper orientation. the hose will have a nice straight shot (no bends) to the angling piston when using the top port.
     
  14. Flyboy77

    Flyboy77 Senior Member
    Messages: 126

    I think that port is for the Curb-Side ram.
    I need the Driver-Side ram and it appears to have a Poppet check valve in the related port. Can it be moved, 'cause that would be cool?
    If this diagram is correct for my plow (http://library.westernplows.com/westernplows/pdffiles/13523_080092.pdf)

    If I use the straight coupler to the quick connect just like you have on the Driver-Side port and it clears the bumper fine, that should work. I don't think the Curb-Side is stressed, but I'll check. It's nice to know this is an option. Thanks!

    correct manual per mishnick in Water in Plow thread (http://www.plowsite.com/showpost.php?p=1894901&postcount=27)

    Conv_Hydra-Diagrams-small.jpg
     
    Last edited: Dec 9, 2014
  15. Flyboy77

    Flyboy77 Senior Member
    Messages: 126

    So you just left your bumper off on your truck, huh. I'll have to check and see how that looks. Might make this behind the bumper plow look less ancient! :)
     
  16. linckeil

    linckeil PlowSite.com Addict
    from CT
    Messages: 1,265

    yeah, dont mess with the poppet valve - that cannot be relocated. you only have one option for the front hose (driver side) and thats the side port. however the rear hose (curb/passenger side) has 2 options - side port or top port. if you set your hoses up just like mine are in the picture i posted you will not have any issues. it is the most direct route for the hoses to take and keeps them well out of harms way (the lift chain). it also minimizes the need for unnecesary fittings.

    as for the bumper - yeah, i hated the way it stuck out. i was going to find a way to notch it and make it look cleaner, but i perfer keeping it off as it allows me to really thoroughly hose the truck down after a storm to get all the sand/salt off the frame.
     
  17. SnoFarmer

    SnoFarmer PlowSite Fanatic
    from N,E. MN
    Messages: 8,466

    This is how I have my western cobbled together.
    This what happens when your scrambling for parts at 4am ;);)

    But it woks....

    image.jpg
     
  18. xgiovannix12

    xgiovannix12 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,419

    ouch no cover on the valves ???
     
  19. Flyboy77

    Flyboy77 Senior Member
    Messages: 126

  20. linckeil

    linckeil PlowSite.com Addict
    from CT
    Messages: 1,265

    hah!! did birdseed help with that custom installation?????? :bluebounc

    we've all been there with the emergency fixes - whatever gets the job done. but before the next storm, please at least get a cover on those coils and valves.. :help: