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Questions about Western Unimount

Discussion in 'Western Plows Discussion' started by toyotaplow, Jan 17, 2011.

  1. toyotaplow

    toyotaplow Member
    Messages: 84

    I just found this site today and found a lot of useful information on it, so I was wondering if anyone could help me out. I was recently offered an older Western unimount plow for a really good price. The plow is in great shape and as far as I know everything is in working condition. My problem is that it is only the plow side. I contacted a western dealer and for the truckside mount and wiring it was going to cost me more then the blade is worth. As far as the mount goes i can easily make one up but my main problem is wiring. What I was wondering is if it is possible to make my own wiring harness and controls with a few solenoids and switches. If not I was also considering swapping out the pump/motor and lift cylinder for a conventional hydrolic cylinder and an underhood hydrolic system. Any input on this would be greatly appreciated.
     
  2. jb1390

    jb1390 Senior Member
    Messages: 710

    If you are electrically knowledgeable you should be able to follow the schematic and construct your own harness fairly easily. You could also see if you could find one used for your vehicle.

    On my harness, it works all be solenoids-with no switches. You could design a system that uses a switch to transfer from plow/truck lights, or do it through solenoids. Price out the solenoids and compare that to a new harness to ensure you want to accept the aggravation to save the money.
     
  3. toyotaplow

    toyotaplow Member
    Messages: 84

    I don't plan on putting the lights in the harness. I work for a snow plowing company (this blade is for my personal truck) and we have many issues with the relays for the plow lights. I plan to just run a wire with an inline fuse from the battery to a switch and then the lights, save myself a lot of headaches. I am just wondering about plow controls. I am not the best at wiring but in my head it seems it should work if I run a power wire from a switch that trips both the valve solenoid and motor solenoid, it should run the motor and open the valve, correct? I am getting the blade on friday and plan to try a few things to see if I can make it work.
     
  4. twinman326

    twinman326 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,683

    This is for a 9pin relay system.. Look at the plow headlamp harness and count the pins inside the connector

    A 9pin vehicle harness would cost $145.00
    http://www.equipmentspecialistsinc.com/ecom-prodshow/61437.html

    The SPDT relay $12.24 each

    Motor relay (solenoid) $13.33
    http://www.centralparts.com/unassigned/western-new-style-hd-4-post-starter-motor-solenoid/1231/

    Vehicle battery cable $39.52
    http://www.equipmentspecialistsinc.com/ecom-prodshow/61169.html

    Controller $259.86 (unless you know someone who has a use controller for sale)
    http://www.equipmentspecialistsinc.com/ecom-prodshow/56369.html

    Here the link to were you can look at the parts and prices (except the motor relay)
    http://www.equipmentspecialistsinc.com/cms-display/unimount_parts.html..

    As for your vehicle headlights, No info was given by you regarding what vehicle the plow is being install on..Info on the vehicle, and headlights (what style) would be nice ????

    Wiring schematics, you can ask for that later..
     
  5. twinman326

    twinman326 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,683

    If you wire the relays correctly, and tie into the light harness correctly, you won't have a problem. It the ones who just wrap a wire around another wire and don't secure the wire correctly or protect the wire from any type of fluid from corrosion. That when you have problems...
     
  6. toyotaplow

    toyotaplow Member
    Messages: 84

    The truck is a '93 Toyota 4X4 pickup. As for the pins in the connector, I don't have the plow yet and wont know until I see it again on friday. Like i said, I'm not really worried about lights, I just want the blade to function properly and I'm looking for anyway to avoid that $250 controller.
     
  7. twinman326

    twinman326 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,683

    Here is the headlight harness $49.12
    http://www.equipmentspecialistsinc....ns=prodsearchp&ecom--prodsearch--string=61556

    You also might need this plug in harness $169.20
    http://www.equipmentspecialistsinc....ns=prodsearchp&ecom--prodsearch--string=61555

    You application for you vehicle, you would need three SPDT relays

    Scratch out the 9pin vehicle harness. Your application call for a 12pin vehicle harness
    12pin vehicle harness $144.78
    http://www.equipmentspecialistsinc.com/ecom-prodshow/61557.html

    As for wiring up a switch for controlling the plow movements, and the lights, that is a lot of wiring to do, especially for someone one you don't know much about wiring.. In the long run, you would be saving yourself a lot of time, money, and aggravation ripping your hair out when something goes wrong..

    Try ebay for the controller. Here is a link to one. Here for $112.00. 9hrs left for the bidding.. Cheaper then $260.00
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/WEST...ptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

    I even found the mount for your truck
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/WEST...ptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

    Couldn't find your harness....

    Check out the links...

    Here is the PDF for your vehicle
    Link
    http://library.westernplows.com/pdf/13625_121792.pdf
     
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2011
  8. toyotaplow

    toyotaplow Member
    Messages: 84

    Have you ever heard of anyone eliminating the electric motor, swapping out the lift cylinder and converting to an underhood hydrolic system. If it can be done, it is looking like a much more feasible solution for me.
     
  9. jb1390

    jb1390 Senior Member
    Messages: 710

    Sure, you could move from new technology to old. And have to deal with hydraulic lines in the cab, the expense of all that instead of wire.

    The easiest thing to do would be to get a self-contained unit from northern tool and leave it electric hydraulic.

    The best thing to do is get the stuff you need to set it up correctly-so when you have an issue, you don't have a jury-rigged setup that no one will know how to work.
     
  10. toyotaplow

    toyotaplow Member
    Messages: 84

    The whole idea of this is to build myself a cheap plow truck for mine and a few relatives driveways. I can't afford &1000+ for the mount, harness and controller so I have no intention on setting it up correctly. I just want to make it work. As far as repairs, if I build it I'm sure I can fix any issues as well.

    As for old vs. new, the company I work for has 3 plow trucks, 2 9' fisher electric/hydrolic and 1 8' fisher fully hydrolic. When the winter hits the hydrolic plow is ready to go before we can even get the lights to work on the other 2 plows. Also, I don't think I have ever seen a hydrolic plow with hoses in the cab, you mount the valve on the fender under the hood and run cable controls to the cab. From everything I've seen between the 2 systems I would rather have a hydrolic plow over electric/hydrolic, the only reason I am considering the electric is the price i was given for the plow.
     
  11. jb1390

    jb1390 Senior Member
    Messages: 710

    If you fab your own mount, you can find the rest of the stuff on ebay. If you are patient, you can get the whole setup for a couple hundred, not the thousand+ you are talking about.

    I've never once had the lights not work on my setup when plugged in, and it's the 2nd truck the setup has been on. Same is true for the other people that I know with electric/hydraulic setups. If yours at work are that unreliable, then someone really botched the install.

    Plus, lights will have to be dealt with regardless of electric hydraulic power.
     
  12. twinman326

    twinman326 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,683

    Your only looking at 500.00 + the controller if you buy it from Ebay...I did give you the link.

    I did check for your harness on Ebay, but no luck..

    As for the mount I believe you said you can make one up!!! So you will be saving some chunk of change.. Were not telling you what to do, we are just giving you options.. Headaches verser doing it the smart way, that all......You have the link to the parts, Ebay, and the PDF.....Now you have to make the decision on your own..It seem like were doing all the research for you and it didn't even cost you a penny......
     
  13. toyotaplow

    toyotaplow Member
    Messages: 84

    The PDF is a big help, thank you for that. The parts are a little over my budget so I will have to find another way. From what I am seeing on parts listings it seems a lot of the parts are interchangeable between western and fisher, is this true? If it is I may be able to get a spare fisher harness from my boss and find a way to use it. He may also have a spare fisher controller.
     
  14. twinman326

    twinman326 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,683

    It still have to be a 12pin harness..........

    I believe western and fisher have become one company..........
     
  15. toyotaplow

    toyotaplow Member
    Messages: 84

    what is the difference between 9 pin, 10 pin, 12 pin, etc..?
     
  16. twinman326

    twinman326 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,683

    The pins inside the harness...If you look at the PDf, go all the way to the part page, and the vehicle harness is a 12pin.......Page #9 in the PDf #66 12 pin harness.....The plow also should be a 12 pin... Just count the pins inside the harness
     
  17. toyotaplow

    toyotaplow Member
    Messages: 84

    i know you meant the number of pins inside the plug, but what is different with the wiring between a 12 and 9.
     
  18. twinman326

    twinman326 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,683

    The application for the truck..

    3 extra wires you need for your vehicle......Every vehicle has a different application.....
     
  19. toyotaplow

    toyotaplow Member
    Messages: 84

    Another question i thought of. I believe the plow is a unimount pro, full size blade 8'6" wide. I was planning on cutting it down to 6'8". do you think it would still be to heavy on the front of my little toyota?