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Question on Bidding

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by Quality SR, Mar 6, 2009.

  1. Quality SR

    Quality SR PlowSite.com Addict
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    How do you guys price sidewalks? Square foot? By the foot? All of the sidewalks are 4' wide. The longest stretch is 780' long. I have to price this 2"-6" and 6"- 12". I have shovels and 4 pro grade snow blowers.
    Thanks Rich
     
  2. Quality SR

    Quality SR PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,828

    I added them all up. They are 4,380 sf, 4,400 sf and 9,000 sf.
    Thanks
     
  3. Quality SR

    Quality SR PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,828

    Nobody does sidewalks?
     
  4. QuadPlower

    QuadPlower PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,056

    Quality, you've been on here long enough to know to do a search. lol

    How much time would it take to walk your snow blower down and back the length of the sidewalk? Take that time by your hourly rate and you have a price.

    But remember if someone else is bidding and they have a quad and do the same thing, their price is going to be alot lower than yours.
     
  5. augerandblade

    augerandblade PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,054

    Like he said. and I take into consideration where the snow has to go. Is it built up or out in the open. plus what kindof snowfall accumulation do ya usually gettymusic
     
  6. Quality SR

    Quality SR PlowSite.com Addict
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    I have been on here long enough to know that these post become full of ranting. People post just to post BS and end up auguring about what they know or have. I have read through post on sidewalk pricing and didnt get too far, because of this. Plus the ones that had some info didnt seem right. Like $3 a foot?!?

    I have figured out that the 2 smaller ones would take 2 guys with blowers 1 hour. And the bigger one would take 2 hours for 2 guys. So price it using the same number that i price plowing with? I also have to salt the walk ways,

    Snow goes on the grass right nest to the walk way. There is grass on one side and flower bed on the other. There is also walkways off the side walk the go to peoples doors. So the snow has to be blown one way. They want a price on 2-6" and 6- 12". I am plowing the lots here too. Thanks
     
    Last edited: Mar 7, 2009
  7. Quality SR

    Quality SR PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,828

    Nobody has anything else to add?
     
  8. Going Commercial

    Going Commercial Member
    Messages: 56

    A safe way to cover yourself is to charge by the hr, but state in contract there is a half hr. minimum. If your labor rate is $50 per hr for your snowblower guy, you are guaranteed $25 for the minimum. Some accounts get snowblowing upon request only and others want it everytime so they do not get fined.
     
  9. Bajak

    Bajak Senior Member
    Messages: 999

    For me the safe bet is roughly 3 cent a square foot for the season. It will break your balls in Chicago, Make you a millionaire in Atlanta and just get you by where I live. If you need any more info, keep reading. This is a business that had too many variables for anyone to give an answer that is an end all to be all.
     
  10. cretebaby

    cretebaby PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,162

    LOL:drinkup:
     
  11. Bajak

    Bajak Senior Member
    Messages: 999

    cretebaby I follow alot of your advice. It does help. Thank you. I know our business is different, but I know you see things the same as I do. Some times we have to sit back and have a laugh and enjoy:drinkup: I Thank you!!tymusic
     
  12. Quality SR

    Quality SR PlowSite.com Addict
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    Ill look in to that. I know being a sub it is $25/hr around here. It has to be kept clean, it is apartment complexes. They want prices from 2-6" and 6-12". But i have to start at 2", and keep cleaning it every 2". I cant leave it when the storm stops.


    I'll add up 3 cents per square foot and see what that comes to. Thanks for your info.
     
  13. lawnoasis

    lawnoasis Junior Member
    Messages: 8

    Just tell them you'll let them know after the first snow.


    "It takes a lot of money to break even."
     
  14. QuadPlower

    QuadPlower PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,056

    It sounds like you can bill out 6 hours at your shoveler rate. Some charge the same for shovelers as they do for truck rates. I would double what you pay your labor and multiply that times 6 hours

    Your sqft numbers are 17,780. At .03 / sqft would be $533.4. At 4 feet wide that is 4,445 linear feet. Now if you bid .03 per linear foot that would be $133.35.

    If I was bidding it, I would use my mini truck and it would take me less than 1 hour to do it. I charge $100/hr so MY bid would be $100. You might want to consider getting a quad or utility tractor to do this.

    Good Luck
     
  15. Bajak

    Bajak Senior Member
    Messages: 999

    At 0.03 I could use a quad. For sure, but sometimes it feels good to help someone put food on their table too. I like too share.
     
  16. Quality SR

    Quality SR PlowSite.com Addict
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    Thanks for your great advice.:salute:

    Thanks alot Quad. I am going to work on those numbers more. I would like to put a plow on mine but it is a 2 wheel drive. :dizzy: I think it will do good for around 2" but dont know about more then that.
     
  17. QuadPlower

    QuadPlower PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,056

    Do you mean giving employees a job?

    By using a quad you are only reducing the time it takes and there by the cost. 1 person on the quad and the other doing clean up with a shovel.

    Say you bid it with 2 employees and 2 snow blowers at 6 hours, $20 per hour for a bid of $120
    Say you bid 17,780 sq ft. at .03 / sqft would be $533.40
    Say you bid 4,445 linear feet at .03 / sq ft would be $133.35.

    Lets say I bid it at $100 using my mini truck (or a quad)

    Which one is the customer going to go with? Now you can't "share" because you didn't get the job. The customer shouldn't have to pay more because of your equipment or lack there of. It is like the person asking how much to charge for a driveway using a quad because it took him 2 hours. A guy with a plow truck would have it done in 15 minutes and that is what you have to base your price on.

    What you do, is now that you have 2 extra man hours is go out and bid more jobs.
     
  18. Quality SR

    Quality SR PlowSite.com Addict
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    I still need 2 guys weather i use two blowers or a atv. I need someone to clear all the stoops where the doors are and salt them. I could have the guy on the atv do it, i would have to see how that works.
    There is 3 places total, 9,000, 4400 and 4000, but they are all owned by the same company. I was going to do it by the square foot. I think all that work, for that area isnt a bad price. Plus it will be 2 subs, and salt. Do you think something like this should be at a per push rate? Or by the job with a cap, with lets say after 3 times will be by the hour? They need the snow cleared every 2" So if we have a 6" storm this would have to be cleared 3 times. But if there is drifting and a 4th time is needed they will have to pay extra for it. I planned on doing the lots like this. If it snows at night when everyone is home, the drive lanes will need to be cleared. When the people leave the next day the spots will have to be cleared. Thats what i saw last storm, they even came back to put down more salt sand. I planned on pricing the lots with one plow, and one clean up. And if i am called back again ( thrid time) they will be charged by the hour to clean up the remanding spaces. What do you think?
     
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2009
  19. QuadPlower

    QuadPlower PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,056

    At most I plow two times in a 24 hour period. I plow in the a.m. to let them out if it snowed during the night and I plow again in the afternoon if it snowed during the day. What ever falls after that gets pushed the next morning. No one is going to pay you to plow 3 or four times a day just because it hit 2 ".

    As far as the lots go, give them a per time price to clean the asiles and what ever else, an then give them an hourly rate to come back and do clean up when the cars have moved.
     
  20. cretebaby

    cretebaby PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,162

    We have places that are done every inch and are calling if it gets to 2"

    We have done thm as much as 6-7 a day
     
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2009