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Pro Wings on 8.5 Western.

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by crew, Dec 10, 2001.

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  1. crew

    crew Junior Member
    Messages: 24

    I am looking into pro wings and I wonder if any one can explain why they are not recommending they be mounted on certain length plows, specifically the western 8'6" ? Do the Turkey Wings have the same limitations? Thanks.
     
  2. OBRYANMAINT

    OBRYANMAINT PlowSite.com Veteran
    from ohio
    Messages: 534

    i think it was mentioned earlier that it was a width concern
     
  3. turkeywing

    turkeywing Manufacturer & PlowSite.com Sponsor
    Messages: 44

    Turkey wings can be mounted on the 8'5 western with no restrictions because they do not add additional width, they can also be mounted on the 9' plows but you would need to remove one side and angle plow to meet width requirements.
    Rod:)
     
  4. plowking35

    plowking35 2000 Club Member
    from SE CT
    Messages: 2,923

    Just remember that you will void the warranty on a new plow by installing wings.
    Dino
     
  5. snow patrol

    snow patrol Senior Member
    Messages: 163

    I ran wings on a 8.5' Western for one year. It worked ok, just remember to angle your blade when traveling. Or better yet, remove them when traveling longer distences.

    Marco
     
  6. Highpoint

    Highpoint Senior Member
    Messages: 241

    do the wings!

    Why is width a problem? Most state trucks have 10 or 11 foot plows. 8.5 foot plow plus the wings gives you a total of approx. 122 inches. Angle the blade when traveling. Unless you have problems with the police handing out tickets in the middle of a snow storm you ought not worry about it! PLUS you can always just take the wings off during travel. You may do this the firts 10 times and decide it just aint' worth the hassle. Leave em on. Good luck
     
  7. turkeywing

    turkeywing Manufacturer & PlowSite.com Sponsor
    Messages: 44

    We have dealers in Wisconsin that sell our wings who also sell western, snoway, and hiniker- warranty issues don't seem to bother any of them or there customers.
    Good point about officers writing out tickets during a storm, most probably don't even recognize it as a violation.

    Rod:)
     
  8. jason2

    jason2 PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 117

    Regarding cops and snowstorms. I was pulled over last week in the middle of a storm for a taillight being out. He pulled me over in the lot I was starting to plow. Checked all my paperwork, no ticket.

    Couldn't believe he stopped me in the lot I was in.
     
  9. John DiMartino

    John DiMartino PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 2,154

    The legal limit on width on the road is 8'6",in all 50 states,if you are wider you get a ticket,unless you have a wide load permit,the highway trucks have the permits,you dont thats the difference.My local Fisher/western dealer makes the buyer sign a form,when they buy an 8'6" or 9 ft plow,saying they know the law,and will buy a wide load permit.They are covering their a-- ,so to speak,he says one of his customers clipped a parked car with a 9 ft Fisher while driving it home,after the install,in a village,and sued them.
     
  10. OBRYANMAINT

    OBRYANMAINT PlowSite.com Veteran
    from ohio
    Messages: 534

    i personally am not worried about the width

    a couple of my plows are western 8' with wing and then 18" inches of u edge on the wing..........measures 10' 6" tip to tip
     
  11. John DiMartino

    John DiMartino PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 2,154

    I am not worried about the width either,my widest plow is my new 9'2" Boss,it is only 8 ft wide in the v position,and it is easier to drive than a 7 1/2 ft straight blade down the road IMO,since the one corner doesnt hang 4 ft off the front of the truck,both sides are tucked tight to the corners of the truck,just off the edge of the bumper,this makes a huge difference.
     
  12. plowking35

    plowking35 2000 Club Member
    from SE CT
    Messages: 2,923

    While it may not bother them, if push comes to shove the factory will deny warranty. Which is fact that your potential customers should be made aware of.
    Dino
     
  13. OBRYANMAINT

    OBRYANMAINT PlowSite.com Veteran
    from ohio
    Messages: 534

    dino such a good boy,honest to the bone!

    thanks for reeling us back in.
     
  14. CT18fireman

    CT18fireman Banned
    Messages: 2,133

    Don't forget that at least one company Pro-Wing, states not to run them on the 9ft plows. Yes they will fit but that does not always mean it will work.
     
  15. John DiMartino

    John DiMartino PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 2,154

    The plow dealers will tell you what you want to hear,in order to sell you a plow,wings,if you bend it,how will they get it warrantied with the holes in it? its a giveaway that you had wings,like Dino siad,if that factory calls that blade back,or has a rep check on it,they will deny the warranty claim,guess who pays.Im with Dino on this,if you get them,kiss you warranty goodbye,and no some makers are putting 2-3 season warrantys on them,I wouldnt want to risk that,without the plow having some time on it,in case there was a real defect,the maker could squeak out of the warranty on account of the wings.
     
  16. plowking35

    plowking35 2000 Club Member
    from SE CT
    Messages: 2,923

    The first season I had my v plow, it broke part of center hinge on one wing. We had only pushed like 3x the whole season, so I brought it back to my dealer. I left the plow on a small mound of mulch that was in the back storage area.
    Well when western say the mulch in front of the plow, they thought I had been pushing dirt, and sent the rep down to make sure I hadnt abused my plow. So you can be rest assured that you will void the warranty with any non approved modifications to your plow. Just touch the plow with a drill or welder and kiss it good bye.
    Dino
     
  17. CT18fireman

    CT18fireman Banned
    Messages: 2,133

    Not necessarily. I had a Fisher that broke the first time I plowed with it. Lower spring mount to the trip edge broke. I photographed the break from many sides and then because I needed the truck back online I welded up the area. After the storm took the plow to the dealer. They examined the damage, called Fisher faxed them the pic and Fisher ok'd a new base angle. Piece wad sent back to Fisher who later told dealer it was due to a fault in the steel. Clearly this was not there or my fault. They honored my warranty and I finished the storm. I guess if you go with a quality product and manufacturer you will get the service that goes with it.
     
  18. GeoffD

    GeoffD PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 2,266

    Fisher and Western are owned by the same company. My guess, the same type of service for the most part.

    Geoff
     
  19. OBRYANMAINT

    OBRYANMAINT PlowSite.com Veteran
    from ohio
    Messages: 534

    for me the only part that i would want to be considered for warranty is the pump.. all other things i bet i would just repair and never think twice about not taking it to the dealer for warranty.now i still run all straight plows so they are much simpler than a v ,i just assumed that a drill and welder were essential and required components of having a plowing business
    it was very cool the experience that fireman had, but i would have probably left the weld
     
  20. DaveK

    DaveK Senior Member
    Messages: 420

    It looks to me like it WAS their fault. They did make the product didn't they. And one would assume that they have quality control.

    Same here. Pump, cylinders, springs, control...... As for the cold hard steel, if it cracks, weld it, if it bends, straighten it and add reinforcing.

    Who wants to quibble with a factory rep over whether it was abused, mis-used or modified to make it a better product. If it takes a urethane edge to make it better, so be it. If it takes wings (of any kind) to make it better, so be it. I'll do what it takes to make a product perform better and wouldn't think twice about the waranty. If a company will make the product exactly the way I want it, I'll buy it. But till then, I'll make it better. If I lose $500 on a waranty claim but save $thousands in improved efficiency. It's worth it.
     
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