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Pricing by the SQ-ft

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by SnoFarmer, Dec 2, 2015.

  1. SnoFarmer

    SnoFarmer PlowSite Fanatic
    from N,E. MN
    Messages: 8,468

    Pricing by the SQ-ft
    How many do it this way and what are the
    Pros& cons of such a method.

    Some recent posts came up on the subject but it got locked down .
    http://www.plowsite.com/showthread.php?t=164757

    So I thought I would " start a new thread" on the subject.

    Thanks :waving:
     
    Last edited: Dec 2, 2015
  2. BUFF

    BUFF PlowSite Fanatic
    from FR NoCo
    Messages: 7,221

    Only use Square Feet to find out acreage in commercial lots, from there it's priced by acreage in 1/4 acre increments.
    Resi's are either $35.00-75.00 per push depending on size, no measuring it's all visual.
    A big thing is knowing what the market will bare, you can be under or over bidding work.
    So at the end of the day there is no cookie cutter approach to bidding IMO, you can have a baseline and that's aboot it.
     
  3. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,853

    Unless you're selling real estate, you ain't selling square feet. Or foots.
     
  4. born2farm

    born2farm 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,310

    We use sq. ft. measurments and a set price per sq/ft to come up with a base price on commercial. From there we take lot difficulty and efficiency of chosen equipment to tweak the numbers where we feel comfortable.

    We tried to put a system in place for bidding, but unless your always doing wide open square lots, there has to be some tweaking done.
     
  5. John_DeereGreen

    John_DeereGreen PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,879

    All our stuff is commercial, save for HOA's.

    We measure square footage and use production rates for the level of difficulty for the property. Estimator spreadsheet turns square footage into time based on production rates, and turns that time into a final price based on the equipment(s) we assign to the lot.

    The whole idea behind the system we're using is so that anyone can assign a lot a level of difficulty and bid the property.

    HOA's pay a flat rate per driveway 1-15 feet, 16-20 feet, and 21-30 feet in length multiplied by 1.5 for double width, no square footage needed.
     
  6. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,853

    I'd be interested in seeing that.

    If I PM you my number, will you text me that too?
     
  7. BUFF

    BUFF PlowSite Fanatic
    from FR NoCo
    Messages: 7,221

    JDG be warned if you give Mooks your cell number he's been known to drain a cell battery in aboot 4hours.......:nod:
     
  8. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,853

    Or, we could get a huge group text from everyone we want from plowsite and wouldn't need plowsite anymore.

    Wouldn't that be fun? Thumbs Up
     
  9. John_DeereGreen

    John_DeereGreen PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,879

    The production rates are still a work in progress, but I'll gladly share any info that might help.

    Mine's on life support almost constantly anyway...
     
  10. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,853

    He's full of crap, he was sending just aboot as many as me..............and Greg combined. :p
     
  11. BUFF

    BUFF PlowSite Fanatic
    from FR NoCo
    Messages: 7,221

    He's not worth support.................when it dies it dies.....
     
  12. Longae29

    Longae29 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,954

    I measure the square footage of every parking lot. I then plug that into the excel spreadsheet I created. Next I change the efficiency field for square footage per min that should be able to be achieved ranges from 500-1100 based on our historical numbers. Lastly I input $/hr. This gives me my per push price.

    That same square footage number also kicks into the deicing portion of the spreadsheet where I change #/acre and $/lb.

    I found this is more consistent than sticking a thumb 6" away from my nose and sayin "I kin plow dat much in aboot a hour"
     
  13. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,853

    My thumb and nose are extremely accurate.

    The problem is it can't be taught.
     
  14. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,853

    If I had feelings, they'd be hurt.
     
  15. Mr.Markus

    Mr.Markus PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 5,162

    Take your hardest site, and the $# you were the happiest with, divide the previous' sq meter by the laters dollar amount then multiply that decimal point by the new sites area squared in meters. Put the result down as your estimate and maybe put quotes around "Estimate"...
    Make sure there's still enough if you add multi year/ property/ senior/ referral/coupon/prepay/family/friend discounts...
     
  16. SnoFarmer

    SnoFarmer PlowSite Fanatic
    from N,E. MN
    Messages: 8,468

    I don't know why I never thought of pricing it this way.
    I just eye balled it, and gave a # that I wanted for the service being provided.

    Yet, when I did seal~coating it was sq footage then the fuge factor,
    Smooth, new , old , rough, cracks, and other hinders.
     
  17. cet

    cet PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 7,202

    For the majority on here you might have to translate this to "feet". They have enough trouble with colo(u)red money let alone metric. :D
     
  18. Mr.Markus

    Mr.Markus PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 5,162

  19. John_DeereGreen

    John_DeereGreen PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,879

    That's what we are going for.

    I'm like Mark, I can look at a property and know within a few minutes of how long it'll take to push it and salt it, and how much salt it'll take. But I can't teach that gut instinct to someone that doesn't know what they're doing.

    By measuring square footage and being able to easily determine which production rate category the lot falls in, anyone with the ability to measure a property and count islands, light poles and other obstacles can easily and accurately (in theory) estimate plowing time, salting time, and salt required. Ultimately, my goal is to have production rates based on the number of obstacles in the lot combined with where the snow has to go. The second part is what's a little harder to teach someone if they haven't plowed snow.