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Price on Plowing Fast food Joints

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by Gusco, Dec 2, 2005.

  1. Gusco

    Gusco Senior Member
    Messages: 117

    I have never been asked to do Fast food lots and since they are layed out a little different than a normal lot. (Drive thru, much tighter space to work, Etc) I am wondering how you all charge for these. I mostly do residential and some warehouse lots. This will be my first at small business located in dowtown area that it quite congested.
     
  2. NJ Plowman

    NJ Plowman Senior Member
    Messages: 799

    We plow them for "All the free food we can carry" !!! :drinkup:

    :eek: We also plow a gas station free for a tank of gas, and the dry cleaners for free laundry... :jester:
     
  3. Gusco

    Gusco Senior Member
    Messages: 117

    Hardy Har har har!
    No seriously!
     
  4. ynvvbr

    ynvvbr Member
    Messages: 68

    hey gus,

    where in Cent. Pa??

    As for your fast food question. I'll make a call one of my drivers used to do a few so he knows the horros, etc. and what they pay
     
  5. Grn Mtn

    Grn Mtn PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,644

    When pricing out a business with long hours and a drive-thru and lots of foot traffic, make salt your best friend. Hopefully you don't have an 8' blade, mine won't make the turns at most of these places. I would have to drive up to the corner than back-drag from both sides. You almost have to price double because inevitably there are cars in some of the spaces, requiring a second trip. I have to admit though, everyone I've bid on I was too high.
     
  6. NJ Plowman

    NJ Plowman Senior Member
    Messages: 799

    Gus,

    OK, seriously...use the smallest blade you have (we use 8.0 and 7.5 Westerns and even the 7.5 is too wide for some drive thru's...a jeep with a 6.5 is ideal) and like Green Mountain said use lots of salt. Most of these places are open at least until Midnight, some until 3:00AM and at night ice and the foot traffic (especially the drunks that just left the bar and want to grab a bite before they DUI on home) don't mix...lots of liability issues there. You also have to put up with vehicles pulling into and out of the lot (and they NEVER pay attention to you plowing).

    We used to do them both individually and thru their corporate offices but to do them properly you have to make several trips during each storm, and they just don't want to pay for more than one trip per storm up here in Jersey. We thought the liability issue and time needed to do the job properly was too much trouble for the small amount of profit we ended up with. We just faded them out as we got more (more profitable and less time consuming) business.
     
  7. BreyerConstruct

    BreyerConstruct Senior Member
    Messages: 132

    This starts to go a diferent direction, but what areas have you found to be more profit/ less liability?

    ~Matt
     
  8. ynvvbr

    ynvvbr Member
    Messages: 68

    Matt,

    It sure is not fast food places, at leasta round here. They want them doneevery 3-4" and just imagine all the pedestrian traffic in and out, stepping on curbs, stepping of curbs, cars in lots etc etc. IMO that just exposes you to tons of liability, UNLESS they are willing to pay for it.

    Mike
     
  9. Gusco

    Gusco Senior Member
    Messages: 117

    Im located in Port Matilda. I plow from State college to Altoona.
     
  10. NoFearDeere

    NoFearDeere PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,715

    I was asked to place a bid for our 2 McDonalds in town. I was kinda happy because the guys that do the lots always do a crap job. (I don't know why this really irritates me but it does.:angry: ) I put in the bid. I was outbid by those other guys. It just never fails that the crap plow guy gets it. Whenever I go through the drive-thru at 4am, the manager always asks me to plow the drive thru and around the employees cars (3 swipes)for free food.
     
  11. LwnmwrMan22

    LwnmwrMan22 PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 28,002

    Soooo.... assuming you don't eat $45 - 50 worth of food out of the drive-thru, probably more like $10-15, if you have someone with you, aren't you in a sense lowballing?

    Probably why the guy does a crap job, because he knows someone else does the work, and no one cares, because they hire him the next year. Why would they call him in to plow the drive thru, if they can get someone to come through with a plow and plow it for a free meal / snack?? As far as you know, that may be the deal they have set up with the guy.

    Why would they hire you at a higher price, when they get you to plow out the messy stuff for food that costs them about $1.50?? If they want to pay you your fair price to plow the drive thru, fine.... but not for free food, at least not less than $50 in gift cerfiticates.
     
  12. Gusco

    Gusco Senior Member
    Messages: 117

    Thanks for the input. Im bidding on it tomorrow. I dont think the drive thru is to tight. I belive it is open on the one entire side. Should be ok. Salt was defintly in the plan.
     
    Last edited: Dec 2, 2005
  13. DodgeBlizzard

    DodgeBlizzard Senior Member
    Messages: 526

    Wow, that's not a very tight route. Just messin. I'm from the Lock Haven area. Just wanted to say hi.
     
  14. SnowGuy73

    SnowGuy73 PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 24,868

    Time + Product + Labor = The amount you charge. :rolleyes:
     
  15. mrplowdude

    mrplowdude Senior Member
    Messages: 315

    I plow some fast food places and banks. My 8'6" fisher does fine through these places. They aren't the most money you will make but steady money, and salt is a must, or there will be a lot of packed snow. Make sure they are aware of this in your bid.
     
  16. SNOWMAN0420

    SNOWMAN0420 Member
    Messages: 43



    thats how u do it in jersey!:gunsfiring:
     
  17. Runner

    Runner Senior Member
    Messages: 957

    I have a friend that does some Taco Bells. Oddly enough though, they don't do any salt. You would think that places like this would espECially want salt. I think he told me they get about $50 per shot (without walks). I'll ask him, though. I told him the other night that we need need to get him (and his partners) going on salt. The same thing with doing the walks. He's walking away and leaving most of the money sitting on the table.
     
  18. NJ Plowman

    NJ Plowman Senior Member
    Messages: 799

    SNOWBOY0420...

    Child, go back to school and learn how to form a proper sentence. Study capitalization and the like, and then come back and play with the Big Boys! You are quick to go to guns aren't you? Play nice and you won't make as many enemies...:realmad:
     
  19. NoFearDeere

    NoFearDeere PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,715

    We are talking about 3 swipes not the whole lot, which would take me about 45 minutes.....;)
     
  20. kyle volz

    kyle volz Member
    from Midwest
    Messages: 33

    "RUNNER" said it on the mark.

    Why take the plowing without the salt. Too much money left on the table regardless of your market.

    I am dating myself here but here goes. In 1987, we took care on many of the Taco Bells, Arby's and Burger Kings in our market. Came to the conclusion very fast that they all wanted you there NOW!!!! AND DID NOT WANT TO PAY ANYTHING FOR THE SERVICE AND THE PRICE THEY WANTED TO PAY WAS GIFT CARD, FOOD NOW OR SOME OTHER BS. IO say thank God to them early in my snow & ice removal business. They helped me to set a more professional and less time consuming method of the snow business. Because of them, we started using retainers, took only full service accounts, (no plow only) and we started making a lot more money. So fast food, I think you owe it to yourself to do a few so you can fully appreciate all the comments from your peers on this site. Realistically, save your self the learning curve and stay far far away! That's my .02 worth.