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Possible Downgrade

Discussion in 'Introduce Yourself to the Community' started by NEWFINISH, Mar 4, 2011.

  1. NEWFINISH

    NEWFINISH Junior Member
    Messages: 21

    I have an 01 chevy 2500HD that I have used it for my lawn biz and doing snow removal on residential driveways and sidewalks. It doesn't have a plow on it i been doin everything with snowblowers and shovels. Lately I have been thinking about downgrading to an S10/Sonoma crew cab 4x4 because for what im doing, I think its too much truck. I work for a another Landscaping and lawn maintenance company full time and do my business part time and I plan on keepin it that way for a while to keep gaining more experience from them. I am also going to school for horticulture and that is about an hour drive from home and work and gas was killing me last year. I talked about doing this before and some of my friends and family was saying that I would regret doing because Ive had the truck for so long and I know everything about and "What if you grow faster than you expect and need the truck to haul more equipment and plow big lots and stuff?" I hear them but at the same time Im just tired of driving this big gas hog around. I love my truck and originally planned on keeping it forever since it was my first ever vehicle period, but know s10s and sonomas are looking real nice especially with gas going back up again.

    My question is that : Is there anyone thats been in a similar predicament? And if so what did you do and did you regret it or are you satisfied with what you did?
     
  2. thelettuceman

    thelettuceman PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,216

    I would gather some information. How much is this downgrade going to cost you? How long will it take to make back that money by saving gas? If you do it, make sure you can mount a plow on the smaller truck. Good Luck with any decision you make.
     
  3. NEWFINISH

    NEWFINISH Junior Member
    Messages: 21

    Thanks for the input.
    I have been doing research on everything. Around here trucks like mine with around the same miles(185,000) have been going around $6-7k. S10/Sonoma crew cabs with between 70kmiles and 120-130kmiles have been going for close to the same or less in some instances. I have a relative with a dealers license and he has access to insurance auctions and other auctions exclusive to dealers and hes working to help me out and I might be able to find one cheaper than 6-7k. I had been looking at SnoWays to put on a s10/sonoma. I have seen colorados/Canyons, rangers and s10s/sonomas on plowsite and they look pretty sweet and saw a few of what seem to be successful stories using those trucks.
     
  4. STIHL GUY

    STIHL GUY Senior Member
    from CT
    Messages: 663

    i started out with a ranger because it was my dads but recently switched over to a 2500HD. After using my 2500HD for plowing and hauling mulch nad brush and doing fall cleanups, it is amazing how much more i can do with the bigger truck and i would never go back to a smaller truck
     
  5. STIHL GUY

    STIHL GUY Senior Member
    from CT
    Messages: 663

    i know thats probably not what you wanted to hear but i just dont want you to end up selling the truck and regretting it it could turn out that you sell the big truck and love it and wonder why you didnt do it years ago. i just wanted to give some personal experience. i am also still in school and commuting does suck with the gas hog but the ranger never got much better mileage to make a difference anyways. What they say online your new truck will get for mileage is going to be higher than you actually get in real life scenarios
     
  6. TDS Landscaping

    TDS Landscaping Junior Member
    Messages: 15

    Want best of both worlds?

    Keep your 2500hd and buy yourself an older Geo metro, Volkswagen rabbit, 92 or older Honda civic, etc.. For under $2500. These will get MUCH better mileage than any compact truck (I had a 99 5spd ranger for a while, best MPG i EVER saw was 19, all highway) put a trailer behind it or put 500 pounds in the bed and it plummeted quickly. With an older, high gas mileage car like the ones listed above, you will see mileage around, or above 30mpg and this should more than cover the additional insurance for a 2nd vehicle with the commuting you do.
    Plus, i can't speak for what you paid for your 2500hd, but the depreciation you are going to eat by selling it would probably cancel out any short term (2 or 3 year) benefits of a smaller truck.
    One lesson i have learned in life, that anytime i try to downgrade something to "save money" i usually end up right back with what i had, or something bigger/better a few years later. Better gas mileage feels great in the short run, but when you need to/want to upgrade later, if you actually did the math, i doubt you would come out on top. Good luck with your decision!

    Thanks,
    Jordan
     
  7. Sabsan84

    Sabsan84 Senior Member
    Messages: 115

    best advice yet, just get a economical car, a s-10 is not gonna be really any better than the full size truck, not worth the fuel savings, just get a cheap car, 4cylinder!! no more than that, and you are good to go! good luck
     
  8. thelettuceman

    thelettuceman PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,216

    TDS Landscaping hit a homerun with his advice. I have a 2011 F250. This is the biggest vehicle and engine I have ever owned and I have been driving for 40 years. I kept my 4cyl. Pontiac Vibe for the exact reason he states.
     
  9. 32vld

    32vld Senior Member
    from LI, NY
    Messages: 620

    When I was deciding to get a suburban or an s 10 blazer. I did the math and what others have said you won't save much gas by down sizing, and you will take a beating on selling your truck.

    Then a s 10 will not take daily heavy use as well leading to more repairs.

    As pointed out by a 30+ mpg car to go to school and your job. Use your truck only for your business.
     
  10. NEWFINISH

    NEWFINISH Junior Member
    Messages: 21

    Its a big difference between how much it cost and what its worth now (about half). I thought about buying a small cheap car but i have done that a few times and it didnt work out. Stuff was cool first and then out the blue, trans went , then 2nd car trans went again. And second if i got a 2nd car for me then I would have 3 cars to worry about for insurance, (wifes car). And we are both under 25 and our insurance is high as hell now.
     
  11. TDS Landscaping

    TDS Landscaping Junior Member
    Messages: 15

    You may want to look into changing insurance then.. If it is just you and your wife, a 3rd vehicle should cost next to nothing for only liability coverage. (in insurance companies eyes, a group of 2 people can't hardly get max use out of 3rd vehicle) My wife is 23 and I'm 22, we have 4 vehicles, the 3rd and 4th are older vehicles and thus have liability only, and are less than $25 a month to insure.

    Take your time in selecting an older car, don't get one that some high school kid has modded and beat on, find one that is stock and looks reasonably clean. Get it checked out by your mechanic and you should be fine.. Obviously my advice is not for everyone and a stock car that looks clean could keel over in a week. But i have been on this vehicle "roller coaster" going between old trucks and new trucks, diesel to gas and back again, smaller truck to older car for commuting. Unless you are positive you will never do more than shovel and snowblow drives part time, DO NOT buy a compact truck. Trying to find a singular vehicle to fit both ideal business and ideal personal needs is a lost cause in most cases. Its not the 10mpg vs 17mpg that kills you, its the constant buying and selling of vehicles tp fit your current (short term) needs that kills you financially in the long run.
    Again, this is only my opinion based on past experience, best of luck with your decision.
     
  12. Triple L

    Triple L PlowSite Fanatic
    from Canada
    Messages: 5,988

    By the time u buy the second vehicle and put fuel and insurance in it how much are u really further ahead??? Honestly? Just drive your truck and don't worry about it! I'm sure you got a much better use for 3-7K right now then having it tied up in a second vehicle that's only gonna cost u dollars to save a few pennies... And then, what if something brakes on the car? Now u gotta fix it or put tires or brakes into it...
     
  13. TDS Landscaping

    TDS Landscaping Junior Member
    Messages: 15

    This would be the 2nd best option, in my opinion.. If you can triple fuel mileage, from 10 to 30 (some of the cars is listed get closer to 40mpg), driving an average of 200 miles per week, at $3 per gallon (low now, but good 3yr average). That would be a monthly savings of $110 a month, even factoring in about $25 a month for insurance. The potential extra maintenance costs of the car would be more than canceled out on maintenance costs saved by the extra commuting miles on the 2500hd. In my experience the upkeep and maintenance cost per mile (not including fuel) to run a compact car is much lower than a 2500hd. (i have owned more than one of these, both gas and diesel, and currently own an 02 duramax) Just in tire wear alone, will save you a bunch. ($700 to $1000 for a set of new tires for the 2500hd, compared to $300 to $500 for a compact) Brakes, starters, fuel pumps, water pumps, etc.. all will be 2-3 times the cost on the 2500.
    If you are looking for a 1 year solution, stick with what you have, just suck it up and pay for the gas. If you are looking 2+ years out, the compact will pay.
    Again, just my opinion
     
  14. NEWFINISH

    NEWFINISH Junior Member
    Messages: 21

    My old lady is saying the same thing you guys are saying about the situation. The difference in what I think will be saved wont work out down the line. I was ready to pull the trigger before I made this thread, now have slowed down to think further. I had started looking at different trucks and planning on which one i would buy and all that. Tahnks again for the insight.
     
  15. hydro_37

    hydro_37 PlowSite Veteran
    from iowa
    Messages: 3,790

    you better do whatever the wife tells you to do

    "if momma aint happy...then NO one is gonna be happy...........lmao
     
  16. Triple L

    Triple L PlowSite Fanatic
    from Canada
    Messages: 5,988

    I'd love to find insurance for $25 a month for a third vehicle... I have a flawless record and still.... Call your insurance agent before you do anything
     
  17. TDS Landscaping

    TDS Landscaping Junior Member
    Messages: 15

    If you were in MN, or even the US for that matter i would be glad to give you my agent's name and number to set you up...I have Auto Owners Insurance, and I get discounts for "paid in full" "non-primary vehicle" (more vehicles than insured drivers) "homeowners" and "accident free" discounts. Things may be different in Canada, but i don't think $25-$30 a month for liability only on a non primary personal vehicle is unheard of around here, in fact i know it isn't.
     
  18. NEWFINISH

    NEWFINISH Junior Member
    Messages: 21

    LOL hydro37! my dad always says a happy wife means a happy life.
     
  19. Dakota Dave

    Dakota Dave Member
    Messages: 44

    Get A samee Cheep Car for primary transportation and Keep the truck. I bought a 88Cavalier for 400 4 years ago. its needed tires and oil changes. put a new batterie in it when I bought. 35 MPG on a no frills ugly slightly rusty car means the 10 MPG truck gets to stay home unless I need it. My insurance for liability on extra car is only $60 every 6 months.
     
  20. NEWFINISH

    NEWFINISH Junior Member
    Messages: 21

    Well I have decided to keep my truck. I am just going to stick it out with her. I am going to go ahead and fix a few things that it needs:

    ac compressor
    tailgate
    get new tires

    Im working on getting some nice lawn work that will transition over to snow removal and get a plow.