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Plow THIS for $40/push?????????????

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by SpruceLandscape, Dec 4, 2007.

  1. SpruceLandscape

    SpruceLandscape Senior Member
    Messages: 248

    Guy with a small commercial building on a 26500 square foot lot wants it plowed at a 2" trigger for $40/push. No salt, no increase for big snows. The building on the lot takes up approx. 7500 square feet of that with the sidewalk that HE will shovel. I quoted him $60/push no matter what the conditions at a 2" trigger. He told me I was so high I wasn't even in the ball park! I find this hard to believe! The total square footage of the area to be plowed is approx. 19000 square feet with 38 parking spaces total between the front and back (the building sits in the middle of the lot, with most of the parking in the rear and two small drives on each side to connect them).
    I haven't been doing this nearly as long as many of the guys on here have, but... If you figure at least 30 minutes to plow this lot because of having to relocate all the snow from the front to the back so you have a place to put it during a normal snowfall, probably 45 minutes during a heavy snow event (especially if there are cars and traffic to dodge) could I really be that high? or is this guy just an A-hole? For any of you Ohio guys, its located in Avon to give you an idea of how much snow to expect there.
     
  2. itzkcatz

    itzkcatz Member
    from CT
    Messages: 63

    People are cheap, Tell him to **** off
     
  3. DJ Contracting

    DJ Contracting PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,392

    Tell him to find somebody to do it for fourty then and walk away he sounds like a pita customer, i just had to deal with a lawyer yesterday, he did not want me to plow after three o-clock Friday (this happened last year) and to wait till Monday morning to clear his lot, well needless to say it snowed that week-end then changed to freezing rain then to rain then froze again so when I plowed it out Monday morning it was a sheet of Ice. I received a phone call 9:30 AM from him wondering why the lot next door that i plowed looks 100% better and i told him that i was not limited to when i could plow out the lot and that it was done right after it snowed, anyway i went in and salted heavily (charged him for salt) to clear the lot and no longer have that restriction, go figure.
     
  4. TJS

    TJS PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,344

    Walk away. He will be the worst nightmare customer. Tell him you would rather stay in a nice warm bed for 40 bucks, that is just crazy.
    T.J.
     
  5. Burkartsplow

    Burkartsplow PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,245

    Bum

    i have lots in cleveland that are 10000 sq ft and I get $90 a pop on them. tell him to find a bum on west 25th to do it!!!
     
  6. BSDeality

    BSDeality Senior Member
    Messages: 736

    I keep hearing more and more stories like this for commercial work, makes me glad I stick to my residentials. I just picked up another $100 driveway+ salting. its 10 minutes of work, tops. That is the second $100 driveway I've priced and gotten this year. I've even got a $150 and I've got a bid out on a $200 driveway + salting $$
     
  7. iowaplowboy

    iowaplowboy Member
    from Iowa
    Messages: 37

    No

    Turned down a lot downtown. LOTS of plows around, LOTs of people not being so "picky". Guy only has about 10k sq ft, but 2/3 of that is around a bunch of signs, tires, parked cars (permanently?) and next to a busy resturant on one side and busy street on two other sides.

    No, thanks, I can do something better with HALF MY NIGHT ...
     
  8. KGRlandscapeing

    KGRlandscapeing 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,660

    40 a push it better not take me more then 15 mins and it better not be out of my way. ooo and this guy better not call me when theres a dusting u could move with a broom on his lot.
     
  9. GL&M

    GL&M Senior Member
    from PA
    Messages: 223

    Walk away. He's looking for a sucker or someone who needs work. I have two lots about 26000 sq. ft. and get $80.00 each for them.
     
  10. Jbowe

    Jbowe Senior Member
    Messages: 167

    Costs

    I have two commercials about the same size and my trigger is 2 inches. Last snow fall we had I plowed three times then went back when it warmed up to push off the slush. $120. per push. The guy you bid is a cheap scape. Get your money up front for the entire season if you do get it. I have had to many of those that ended up being trouble. Parking lots always have cars in them when you need to plow. Nature of the game. Plus if your having to move the front snow to the back of the lot your pushing two directions then your going to be there longer then you think if there is even one car in the wrong spot and you need to work around it. I would have bid it at 1 hr min. just for that reason.
     
  11. 92XT

    92XT Senior Member
    Messages: 343

    Tell Him Youd Like To Do It For That Price But Cutting Edges ,fuel,pumps , Relays, Hoses , Cheerios , Meat , Eggs Have All Gone Up.maybe He Is Stuck In 1970.

    All You Need Is A Good Blizzard Or An Ice Storm And Ill Just Bet He'll Pay In Excess Of The Normal Rates.unless He Waits For Spring
     
  12. ptllandscapeIL

    ptllandscapeIL Senior Member
    Messages: 495

    tell him to get bent! not worth the wear and tear on the truck
     
  13. theguynextdoor

    theguynextdoor Senior Member
    Messages: 307

    I dont know a whole lot about bidding lots. I only do residentials by contract for the season. But i know that around here in Western New York, normal price for one push on your average 2 car wide driveway is 30 dollars. So 40 for that lot is outrageous. Forget about it. I just bid on my first lot for the season, but it takes less time than some of my driveways
     
  14. SpruceLandscape

    SpruceLandscape Senior Member
    Messages: 248

    LOL, yeah, I pretty much laughed at the guy when he started acting like I was trying to take HIM to the cleaners! I quoted him $60/push expecting him to jump on it, so when he came at me with "you're really high, like not even in the ballpark high!" I actually thought he was being sarcastic and laughed at him! LMAO! There are larger landscaping companies around here that I'm sure he called and maybe they decided that their trucks don't need to make any money (but they also employ 90+ % mexican) or maybe they need to loose some for tax purposes.. I don't know... But I don't care either. I'm with you on the residentials. I have no problem doing driveways all night for 25-45/push. They always pay good and usually pay fast when invoiced. The kicker here is... this guy's building (he also owns one of the store's operating from it) can't be more than a few years old judging by the style of the block and condition of the asphalt/curbs, etc. so you know he's got some coin. I can't believe he didn't want it salted as well for the safety of all the customers who will have to walk from the back to the front to get into the store????
     
  15. KGRlandscapeing

    KGRlandscapeing 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,660

    where is this lot and what comm lot dosent want salt. thats a cheap skate right there
     
  16. fortywinks

    fortywinks Member
    from NE OH
    Messages: 82

    The Spruce Goose is worth more than $60!!!!!! The operator, well that's an entirely different argument altogether. Do you think people move to Avon to spend their money? Wait till their taxes go up to pay for infrastructure like PD, FD, schools, sewer and street improvements, library. Then he'll want you to plow the lot for $20, open the doors and put the coffee on before he gets there in the morning.
     
  17. ServiceOnSite

    ServiceOnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 935

    was it an advanced auto parts store? ive two friend that are managers there and they pay ther guy 35 a push. same thing has to take it from the front to the back of the lot. about a half an hour to clean it up.and the scary part is the guy who does this does have a half million in insurance. we called. a price to plow for is only worth it to the person who put that bid in. leave it youll kick yourself in the a$$ if you take
     
  18. captfudd

    captfudd Member
    Messages: 88

    $40.00 what a joke leave it for the lowballers with their crappy trucks & service! xysport
     
  19. SpruceLandscape

    SpruceLandscape Senior Member
    Messages: 248

    No, it was a Karate Center and Tanning Salon
     
  20. ServiceOnSite

    ServiceOnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 935

    a 25hr tanning salon? had help at one of those a few years back. man i wish we had more of those. talk about eyecandy. but back to the topic yea yea kill the lowballer lol