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Plow causing heavy squatting, what springs should I buy?

Discussion in 'Truck & Equipment Repair' started by Backwell, Nov 14, 2015.

  1. Backwell

    Backwell Junior Member
    Messages: 29

    Hey guys, I have a 2015 250 and last year my 8ft boss straight blade caused a lot of squatting in the front almost to the point where my frame cushioned was touching. Railroads sent fear through my spine.

    Anyways, bought a 9ft 2inch V blade this year and I will obviously need to get new front springs. Wasn't sure what style or brand to get or if I should go with air ride instead. What do you guys recommend?
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  2. 1olddogtwo

    1olddogtwo PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,538

    What package does the truck have now.
     
  3. Backwell

    Backwell Junior Member
    Messages: 29

    It is an xlt and it does not have the plow package.
     
  4. 1olddogtwo

    1olddogtwo PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,538

    Didn't think it did, just find some 6000 lbs rated pounds.

    My Vee is 11-6 and 1100 lbs or so....no problem.
     
  5. howardg3

    howardg3 Junior Member
    from name
    Messages: 20

    Buy timbrens it will make differ rad
     
  6. SnoFarmer

    SnoFarmer PlowSite Fanatic
    from N,E. MN
    Messages: 8,583

    Do you use counter weight?
    Becuse its the first thing you should do.

    It's about balancing out your truck and safety.
     
  7. seville009

    seville009 Senior Member
    from CNY
    Messages: 740

    My F350 had, I think, the 5200 lb front springs. Changed them to the 6000 lb springs. Helped keep the front end up maybe 1.5" with my 8.5' MVP with wings on it (close to 1,000 lbs). Also keep about 800 lb of tube sand in the back.
     
  8. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    Must of been made with Chevy parts. My Ford moves a quarter inch with my Boss v plow.
     
  9. zlssefi

    zlssefi Senior Member
    Messages: 117

    timbrens are definitely the way to go. 400 lbs in the bed over the axle works well too.
     
  10. Mr.Markus

    Mr.Markus PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 5,172

    That impressive seeing as your stone age lights out weigh your plow...
     
  11. FredG

    FredG 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,237

    I never seen any F250 sag with a 8ft plow. You should handle that with ease. I would have it looked at to be sure what the problem maybe before I made any decision.

    I don't know why you would not handle the 9ft. The truck is a 15 can't be worn suspension. Maybe they can be bought with lighter front ends. Check you GVW and axle rating.
     
  12. JustJeff

    JustJeff 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,053

    To help with front end sag you don't put the weight "over" the rear axle, you put it BEHIND the rear axle. OP, put a 2 x 12 in the vertical slots towards the rear of your bed. Throw a bunch of tube sand between the 2 x 12 and the tailgate. The 2 x 12 will keep the sand behind you rear axle which is what you need. If that doesn't eliminate your problem address the front end with timbrens, air bags, or heavier weighted springs.
     
    Last edited: Nov 15, 2015
  13. 1olddogtwo

    1olddogtwo PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,538

    He already stated he DOESN'T have plow prep, changes are he has 4800 springs with a Gasser motor. Put 6k spring for less then 200 and 2 hrs worth of DW time.
     
  14. RIRAM2500HD

    RIRAM2500HD Senior Member
    from 02914
    Messages: 106

    Install some Air Bag helpers in your springs .
     
  15. SnoFarmer

    SnoFarmer PlowSite Fanatic
    from N,E. MN
    Messages: 8,583

    So does that mean he should t use counter weight of at least #500.?

    Even with stiffer springs?
     
  16. 1olddogtwo

    1olddogtwo PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,538

    I agree 100%

    He needs to start with the basic, timbens, and every time else mentioned to solve the dipping is just band aids.

    Ballast should always be used, it helps with weight distribution which affects traction and braking.

    Hell, I was thinking he could have the 4400's even. That looks like the base SD in that pic
     
    Last edited: Nov 15, 2015
  17. immortal.ben

    immortal.ben Member
    Messages: 65

    For the life of me I cannot figure out this love affair with Timbrens. I consider them to be a band-aid. Notice I did not say they are a bad product or that they do not do what they say they do.

    Just upgrade the dang springs. I use a company called ATS. They have fantastic customer service. My plow truck (Excursion) has ATS springs all around and the weight capacities are between a SRW and dually 1 ton of the same model year as my truck.

    The truck rides better than it did new, and I was there when it was bought new. I get hardly any squat from my plow, and hardly any when I tow my skidsteer around.
     
  18. peteo1

    peteo1 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,660

    I've never understood it either. If you need them you're putting too much weight on the truck to begin with. All timbrens are are bigger bump stops to keep your suspension from flexing, they do zero for weight capacity. Op, it sounds like you need a spring upgrade on your truck
     
  19. Brian Young

    Brian Young PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,382

    Nobody has mentioned if you DON'T have the plow prep you WILL need a few more things like a new fan/clutch assembly as well, if not your going to go down the road sounding like a MACK garbage truck and will overheat. Don't know if your alternator is big enough as well. It's doable, we did it to our 05 F350...we replaced the front springs with 9k lb rated, the right fan assembly and it being a diesel it already had the heavy duty alt. Total cost was around maybe 6-700 bucks parts and labor. (the fan on a diesel is a b!tch!)
     
  20. JustJeff

    JustJeff 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,053

    He could do the same thing with air bags. And with bags he could let the air out when he doesn't have the plow on and not have it ride like a logging truck.