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PITA accounts

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by 04superduty, Jan 2, 2006.

  1. 04superduty

    04superduty PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,354

    since it is not snowing but raining.:realmad: i have some time to kill, so i looked up my most pain in the butt account on google earth. anyone else want to list theirs? :) for some reason the architect loves islands and curbs. the whole lot is surrounded by curbs. with a snow fall of about 3" it can take me from 2.5-4 hrs, all depending on how badly drifted over the lot is.

    Last edited: Jan 2, 2006
  2. Mick

    Mick PlowSite.com Veteran
    from Maine
    Messages: 5,546

    Don't have a picture, but I had actually written this up for another thread and then didn't use it. Since it was "saved" on the desktop, I needed place to use it before I shut down. It qualifies as a PITA even though (thankfully) I don't have it anymore.

    In five years, the only real complaint I've gotten was from a lady who moved here from (I think) Georgia. She'd never seen snow before. Saw me out sanding another account and asked me to plow hers. Lot of work the first time since it had been sitting empty for several storms. I went over everything I could think of since she had no idea of what to expect.

    Then the complaints started. Most I could take in stride. Except where she parked her car SIDEWAYS at the very road end of the driveway. With a ditch on each side, I couldn't get around and no room in front or behind the car. So I passed and came back after she'd left for work. She called asking why I hadn't plowed like I said I would. Told her I couldn't get in front of, behind or around the car. "Oh, ok". Next time, same thing. Same call. Told her to park in the garage and I'd clean the driveway and she could just drive out. "That's what you said before". Right - so park in the garage instead of crossways at the end of the driveway. Next time - same thing. Car is at the end of the driveway and crossways. Come to find out, she really expected that, somehow, I was magically going to get across these ditches and plow on the other side of the car as well as shovel in front of the car parked sideways. Then she complained about the bill. I guess from what she said that she wasn't expecting to have to pay for every time it snowed or didn't expect it to snow so much or, maybe, just didn't think. Anyway, I got fired in midseason without even knowing it. Came by one day - car parked sideways so I went on and came back. New markers besides mine and the driveway was plowed. Fine with me, it was a minimal amount account, anyway.
  3. Jon Geer

    Jon Geer Member
    Messages: 834

    Get a Swing Wing rear plow and cut your time almost in half. I hope you are at least using a loader at that site?

  4. repo_man62

    repo_man62 Senior Member
    Messages: 502

    Holy SH#T!!! That should move some snow!
  5. Mick

    Mick PlowSite.com Veteran
    from Maine
    Messages: 5,546

    I think they'll need a bigger truck, though.
  6. 04superduty

    04superduty PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,354

    no loader, just one truck. Not many lots around here get plowed with a loader. Just the big ones like Lowes, Menards etc. Jon if you have an extra 10,000 lying around i might get one of your swing wing plows othewise there is no way i can justify spending that much.
  7. Remsen1

    Remsen1 Senior Member
    Messages: 188

    Definite PITA. Would it be possible for them to designate a couple of those islands as snow stacking areas? It might make life a little easier but not a whole lot :(
  8. 04superduty

    04superduty PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,354

    i can stack snow on any of the islands except the one on the entrance, found that out the hard way. the only problem is the islands are so small that they fill up with snow quickly. or they were filled up before all the rain and warm temps made to snow disappear.
  9. lawnkid

    lawnkid Senior Member
    Messages: 234

    That's a good size lot. How do you go about plowing it? Circle plowing would be my best suggestion.
  10. 04superduty

    04superduty PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,354

    i usually do a circle around the front of the building and around back where there is a loading dock. after i clean all that up i start on the parking areas going straight down them rolling the snow to either side and onto the islands. that is what eats all the time up, cleaning around all the islands and all the stupid curbs.
    a loader would really help on this job, but its kind of a small job to leave the loader on and its a long drive to the next job that we could use a loader on.
  11. superduty im thinking that a bobcat with one of our 10 or 12 foot push boxes will do what you need to do
  12. 04superduty

    04superduty PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,354

    i am only a sub but a bobcat would be alot better. about the only place at this job where a plow is better is around back where you can windrow all the snow to one side. otherwise a push box would be the best.
  13. REAPER

    REAPER 2000 Club Member
    from 60050
    Messages: 2,228

    Road for trucks to loading dock is dirt? Man I bet those ruts are nice to plow.

    Those islands only look to be 4 ft. wide. Bumpers on cars parked nose to nose are almost touching. I can see where the snow would cover those quick. It seems more and more they are putting islands up in lots. I worked many years in road construction. Federal and State jobs. Most over 2 miles long which are pretty big jobs. When I got out though they started putting more islands up in strange places. Turning lanes and lane dividers mainly. These are a pain in the ass when building as well. It is like going around a tree or planting grass in the middle of the road.

    In that line of thinking that is exactly why they started building more and more of them. Supposedly studies have been done and it relates to beautification of the landscape. The green grass and a tree here or there gives the building or roadway a "softer" look and some how works in the states main clean air plans about total square footage of greenery in the state. It is all B.S. and I am sure nurseries have a hand in the studies done if you were to follow the money trail.

    I agree about being a pain. If you are ever on Stadium Drive go over and look at the Red Cross lot. I use to do that and let me tell you I cussed the whole time. I do a industrial plaza over here now that has about 20 business' in it. Well to give them a more personal look they made islands so it appears each store front has it's own parking area not adjoined to the other stores. Bill em a extra hour this year. Up the bid next year and just grin and bear it. Otherwise it will eat ya up inside and turn a great night into a long night.

    BTW. I try to do this place 1st and get it out of the way. That way the rest of the night is easy money. Good luck and have fun with that dirt road wrapping around the place as I am sure they want you to make room for the truck lining up to the dock back there.
  14. 04superduty

    04superduty PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,354

    the picture is alittle old, not exactly sure when it was taken but the back is now paved. the loading dock was an after thought. you can kinds see in the picture where they widened the road after realizing that a semi with a 53ft trailer needs some room to swing around and lign up with the dock. and the dock is really just a hydraulic lift that the truck back up too. some one really didnt think it through all the way.
    Reaper the building is off of drake rd in Westerns new business park.
  15. Remsen1

    Remsen1 Senior Member
    Messages: 188

    Understood. I was thinking more along the lines of stacking the snow on the islands to the point where they would lose sections of the parking lot to snow stacking. If this wouldn't be possible then I hope you're charging alot and have access to a big loader (If you get alot of snow where you are you this lot screams for a loader).
  16. Grunt0311

    Grunt0311 Member
    Messages: 79

    I do the Red Cross on Stadium now, and I agree Reaper, what a bunch of bullsh**. From the way I understand it, it is not necessarily the architects wanting to make our lives hell, but rather the municipalities that say you have to have so much green space per so many parking lots. I know this is the case at the Red Cross building. Oshtemo and their typical B.S.!
  17. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    That's what happens when people from FLA. design parking lots for us up north where it snows. :gunsfiring:
  18. sixspeed

    sixspeed Senior Member
    Messages: 306

    YOU got the correct answer Grunt!

    You got it Grunt! The architects design/engineer based upon the state/local regulation. Those stupid PITA islands are used to cut down the impervious surface (blacktop) total percentage to meet environmental development standards. Occasionally they do have some use in stormwater management.

    Along with that goes the need to look pretty so the local regulatory or government board says yes to the initial site plan/development plan.

    And NO you cannot park cars on the green area, a municipal code officer could legally make you move them or cite you for it since it's not part of your approved use....

    Ya gotta love socialism.
  19. ctcarguy1170

    ctcarguy1170 Junior Member
    Messages: 2

    not to get off the subject but where did u get that picture from?
  20. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    The co. i worked for plows this did all with pick ups.

    enter search address

    3366 walden
    depew ny 14043

    not sure how to do it all at once.