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only useing sand???

Discussion in 'Ice Management' started by jlong, Dec 18, 2008.

  1. jlong

    jlong Junior Member
    Messages: 12

    is this actually and effective practice....excuse my stupidity but i am actually quite new to the industry. In my opinion it is a way of saving a couple of dollars while increasing your risk of someone falling or a vehical accident. I was quite shocked while bidding on a chain of resturants in town that they actually came back to me and asked if I would use straight stand to cut the cost??? I didn't get the bid. Then my fathe enformed me that after the last snow the company doing his factory was shoveling "blocks" of frozen sand onto the parking lot after plowing the snow...In my opinion it is idiots like this that are destroying the priceing of this industry :rolleyes:
     
  2. dirtmandan2

    dirtmandan2 Senior Member
    Messages: 275

    we sand when its really cold, for the last week its been below zero, not exactly good salting weather. We also sand a couple of gravel lots.
     
  3. cjasonbr

    cjasonbr Senior Member
    from Mass
    Messages: 635

    nope. The idiots ruining the pricing are the ones that don't charge enough, who most often don't pay for insurance etc etc.

    Years ago i planned on running some kind of ice-melt in the spreader but nobody was interested in it, everyone wanted sand. The reason being is price. I went to home depot last week and both sand and ice-melt was up about 100% from last year. 50# sand was 3.50, 50# ice melt was 16.00!!!!!

    So really it comes down to salt costing 4.5x more than sand, depending on the deal you can find.. Often times when i plow there isn't much of anything left on the ground anymore anyways, so sand it plenty sufficent.
     
  4. hydro_37

    hydro_37 PlowSite Veteran
    from iowa
    Messages: 3,790

    We have put down just under 4 tons of sand this year so far. Only time we mix in salt is if the customer wants it.
     
  5. Ropinghorns

    Ropinghorns Senior Member
    Messages: 121

    Here in OKLAHOMA where we don't know any better, we use sand and get along fine. Customers do not know anything about salt either. When it snows it is a different story. We clear it off with tractors and skidsteers. But ice is sanded.
     
  6. Snowaway

    Snowaway Senior Member
    Messages: 248

    Wow, I paying just under 6 dollers for a 40 lbs. bag of ice melt from Home Depot here. Brand name Road Runner.
     
  7. lowcostlawns

    lowcostlawns Junior Member
    Messages: 28

    For our two huge HOA's we do they will not allow any salt on the properties! So we have to mix in magnesium chloride to help the sand from freezing and clogging up! It sucks by we have to get the job done. I wish I could just put down a salt sand mix, its so much less of a pain in the ass!
     
  8. cjasonbr

    cjasonbr Senior Member
    from Mass
    Messages: 635

    Yea. I bought a few 50 lb bags of Road Runner from Wally-mart for $7 too. Not quite high grade stuff though. I think it says "now contains mag. chloride" on the bag or something like that. Who knows how much mag it actually contains.

    The bags that Home Depot had were bags of pro-grade straight mag and calcium chloride.
     
  9. TurfSolutionsMN

    TurfSolutionsMN Senior Member
    from MN
    Messages: 302

    How do you guys keep your sand from freezing
     
  10. Superior L & L

    Superior L & L PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,039

    we used a little sand last year ..........holly crap that stuff is messy. It was chlorinated sand so it did melt a little but we quit using it cos it would clogg drains and make lots look like sand boxes
     
  11. Jay brown

    Jay brown PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,783

    i put down 9 ton for a small town last week, and it was the first time i had ever done sand....it went okay for chat streets, but i would never use it on commercial because of the mess it leaves and the mess it tracks into the stores.....screws the finish on floors too...
     
  12. adksnowo

    adksnowo Senior Member
    Messages: 370

    We use salted sand. Salt is ineffective on gravel surfaces, which is what we do. Salt is about 20%, sand 80%, keeps sand form freezing & clumping. Gotta keep it dry though. Local town only uses sand, right out of the sand quarry.
     
  13. Ropinghorns

    Ropinghorns Senior Member
    Messages: 121

    If it makes a mess maybe you are using too much!!!!!!!!
     
  14. procut1

    procut1 Senior Member
    Messages: 380

    Sand?

    Ive heard of that being used years ago but Ive never actually seen it in person.
     
  15. nick858

    nick858 Senior Member
    from Iowa
    Messages: 145

    We use sand. The county mixes in some salt, Im guessing maybe 10% at the most, just to keep the sand from freezing. Nobody here will pay for salt, and most times the ice has to sit on the lots for a week before they will even sand, just to make sure it doesnt melt first. The county will load our 2 yard sander for 30 bucks, just pull up under the loader and go. We do about half gravel and half paved lots, it makes a mess of the lots and the floors, but you wouldnt get a single call if you priced out salt here.
     
  16. SnowMatt13

    SnowMatt13 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,535

    Around our area its salt, salt and more salt.
    It's fun watching IDOT try and burn 1" of snow off the road when its 10 degrees out.....and they do. I could sweep up what's left over and re-spread it.
     
  17. cretebaby

    cretebaby PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,162

    What part of Iowa are you in?
     
  18. nick858

    nick858 Senior Member
    from Iowa
    Messages: 145

    I guess you would say north central, Eldora. We are about 45 min NE of Ames
     
  19. procut1

    procut1 Senior Member
    Messages: 380

    It is interesting to see how different areas use material differently.

    In this area very very rarely do you see sand used....Its all straight salt.

    Then again thats why we;re taxed out the wazoo.

    A couple municipalities that are hurting financially you see sand used.

    I dont think NY could go back to the old days. People have gotten used to their roads being bare pavement a couple hours after any storm.
     
  20. procut1

    procut1 Senior Member
    Messages: 380

    It is interesting to see how different areas use material differently.

    In this area very very rarely do you see sand used....Its all straight salt.

    Then again thats why we;re taxed out the wazoo.

    A couple municipalities that are hurting financially you see sand used.

    I dont think NY could go back to the old days. People have gotten used to their roads being bare pavement a couple hours after any storm.