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??? on straight salt nontreated

Discussion in 'Ice Management' started by a&j lawncare ll, Oct 2, 2009.

  1. a&j lawncare ll

    a&j lawncare ll Member
    from ct
    Messages: 38

    Does straight salt work in very cold temps like under +25 f..how will does it work for coating just before the storm.
     
  2. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,915

    How well does the search function in plowsite work in October?

    Asked and answered maybe 6 million times.
     
  3. Jay brown

    Jay brown PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,783

    i usually go with the 20 degree rule....if it's going to get (or is) below 20F i'll go ahead and pre wet the salt. anything above 20 and i'll go with just straight salt....
     
  4. Jay brown

    Jay brown PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,783

    don't be afraid to ask questions. that's what the fourm is for....
     
  5. a&j lawncare ll

    a&j lawncare ll Member
    from ct
    Messages: 38

    thanks..i did search and didnt find much..
     
  6. a&j lawncare ll

    a&j lawncare ll Member
    from ct
    Messages: 38

    how do u pre wet it..
     
  7. Grn Mtn

    Grn Mtn PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,644

    you can get away with just straight salt, that is what the primary choice around here is. You will find that if its cold and dry not much will happen until the sun comes out and provides the liquid catalyst needed for melting. you also need to apply more salt the colder it is to get the same results. temp and moisture content will determine the speed at which the salt works.

    I generally only pretreat if an ice storm is expected. spreading salt on dry pavement is wasteful, it scatters and bounces too far, but to prevent the ice from bonding with the pavement pretreating will help.

    obviously liquids can make your tool box way more effective: prewetting reduces scatter, lowers coldness effective temp, and straight liquid application before storms reduce icing and can burn off minor accumulations.
     
  8. cretebaby

    cretebaby PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,162

    I have good luck with salt down to about 10*.
     
  9. Brad3403

    Brad3403 Senior Member
    from Alberta
    Messages: 392

    You know, if everyone used the search function, then there wouldn't be an excuse for you to make comments. I'm sure every single question or comment has been asked or stated at some point on this site. Opinions, equipment, members and techniques change. I would rather post a question and get fresh responses rather than rely on old or outdated information.
    Sorry for the rant!
     
  10. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,915

    Hugs and kisses to you too.
     
  11. 2COR517

    2COR517 PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 7,115

    I have good luck with pretreating. It seems to help keep the snow from sticking to the asphalt, and it doesn't take much post plow salt to finish the job.

    Ideal situation is when you can pretreat in the afternoon, let the daily traffic grind up the salt and spread it around. Overnight snow. The snow blankets over the salt so it can work and keep everything wet. Plow it up in the morning and everything is wet.

    Of course you might get lucky and have one storm a year that actually goes this way.
     
  12. basher

    basher PlowSite Fanatic
    from 19707
    Messages: 8,993

    Its OK you don't answer the same questions continuously but whatever makes your life easier.
     
  13. Jay brown

    Jay brown PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,783

    pre wetting is when you spray the salt as it comes off the chain or down on the spinner..
     
  14. Clapper&Company

    Clapper&Company PlowSite Veteran
    from NE OHIO
    Messages: 4,413

    We do some pretreating with rock salt, have had good luck with it

    I like your idea about letting it get drove on.... we always wait till after every one leaves i'll try it
     
  15. Clapper&Company

    Clapper&Company PlowSite Veteran
    from NE OHIO
    Messages: 4,413

    Im going to bust your bubble on this one.... Im assuming your talking about the Air Temp..

    I'll be the first one to tell you.... in the winter i really dont give a damn what the air temp is....


    ..... The air temp 98% of the time has nothing to do with the amount of salt, that we use or anything to do with my snow service.
     
  16. juspayme

    juspayme Senior Member
    Messages: 116

    well said brad.
     
  17. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,915

    Will you be my BFF too?
     
  18. Clapper&Company

    Clapper&Company PlowSite Veteran
    from NE OHIO
    Messages: 4,413

    Aw another friendship.... Brought to you by MJD and the Crew :D
     
  19. terrapro

    terrapro PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,878

    :confused: No it wasn't! Guess what, snow always gets plowed and ice melters are always applied and they have been in the same manner for a very long time. The same old information in those old posts is just going to be reiterated back to you.

    Check with the packaging company, manufacturer, or distributer of the product you are using such as...

    http://www.mortonsalt.com/products/road_sidewalk/safe_t_salt.html

    Which says "down to 5deg".
     
  20. Grampa Plow

    Grampa Plow Senior Member
    from Midwest
    Messages: 274

    OK...another stupid question that I'm too lazy to search (I'm heading the smart remarks off at the pass) what's the cheapest way to pre-treat, and how did you get started??