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Odd question

Discussion in 'Ice Management' started by fireboy6413, Dec 11, 2010.

  1. fireboy6413

    fireboy6413 Senior Member
    Messages: 396

    So here it goes, My local horse farm asked me today for a quote to salt their indoor arena, the problem is the farm was built on a swamp and they get alot of seepage thru the ground, so come winter the stone dust freezes and makes it nearly impossible to rake. I am looking for some suggestions on this one, I think straight salt will be too much on the horses feet. Thanks
     
  2. forestfireguy

    forestfireguy PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,276

    Liquid magic is the way to go for this application. They may still get frozen ground, but it's hold off much longer. I'd really look at Magic 0, not just Mag Cl. You're pretty close if you need Magic I have a guy I use.
     
  3. blk90s13

    blk90s13 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,157

    They asked you to put down salt
     
  4. fireboy6413

    fireboy6413 Senior Member
    Messages: 396

    Yeh they asked for salt, they had a guy doing salt last year, it wasn't an every day thing, just as needed, I said maybe magnesium chloride or something, I feel salt will be too corrosive for animal feet, forest guy, do I need a special setup for this liquid stuff, pm me you number let em know when I can call you,
     
    Last edited: Dec 11, 2010
  5. leon

    leon Senior Member
    Messages: 872

    indoor riding arenas

    Having been a past owner of horse flesh and cattle

    I can and will offer you what I did with my animals.

    This is a huge issue with the animals Hoove Health

    and the sanitaton for them that goes along with it.


    The cleaning of horse hooves is an physically

    intensive business for the horse owner and it takes

    a lot of time before and after riding, as you need to

    clean hoove with hoof pick very very slowly and with

    very low pressure, and inspect the hooves while cleaning

    them. This issue maginified when riding in muddy conditions

    and especially if the animal is subject to wet stable stalls.


    The horse(s) shoes are another issue and you should enquire if the

    farrier uses titanium weldong rod which is or was used by gas welding

    it to the shoes which was done for me as I had to use the roads at times

    when I rode.


    To add to this, if they do not use concrete and rubber mats on the floor the

    hooves need to be checked every day anyway as a manner of maintaining

    hoove health even when using rubber mats and concrete when the animals

    are boarded as you are not sure if the people that offer the boarding

    service may not do it every day.


    I would suggest using more sand and more sand only simply as it is a

    traction aid for the animals as a horses frog which is the tender center part of

    the hoove will become irritated and inflamed if it is subject to this as Halite or

    any chemically derived deicier will grind into the hoove and the wet mud will disolve

    it and the Halite or chemically derived deicier will get under the horse shoes of the

    animals and no amount of washing wil get rid of it as the metal of the horseshoe will attract it.



    Its not to late in the season to suggest that they install a shallow french drain around this area or

    a using a ditcher with 4 inch pipe to a drywell for it, and this would stop the issue with water in

    the riding area and the ice forever.


    I am not trying stop you from doing, but I am only adding my advise as a past owner of horses.


    The more sand you add the better the drainage and the drier the hooves and doing this will work well
     
    Last edited: Dec 12, 2010
  6. cretebaby

    cretebaby PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,162

    Why second guess them if they where having it done last year?

    Why do you think salt would be to "corrosive"?
     
  7. cretebaby

    cretebaby PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,162

    Do you bother to read before you haul off typing?

    The problem is frozen ground not ice. Your wonder sand is going to do nothing.
     
  8. leon

    leon Senior Member
    Messages: 872

    riding arena

    I did read the post;

    If they are excercising their horses in frozen ground with ice cover they are irresponsible horse owners; you never move horse flesh or cattle on iced over ground as its the quickest way to have a horse or cow with a broken hip and to have it put down.
     
  9. cretebaby

    cretebaby PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,162

    You have removed all doubt.
     
  10. bighornjd

    bighornjd Senior Member
    Messages: 249

    You bet. I guess all the horses and cattle around here that stay in pasture all winter will be dead by spring because the ground freezes and gets some ice on it.:rolleyes:

    If they want salt, just give them salt and charge accordingly. If they don't know what's best for animal health, then that's their problem and they shouldn't be taking care of them. I can't imagine salt would harm the animals though if they are taken care of properly.