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Newbie Needs Advise

Discussion in 'Introduce Yourself to the Community' started by Snowman1663, Oct 21, 2009.

  1. Snowman1663

    Snowman1663 Junior Member
    Messages: 7

    Decided to start a plowing business this year. Just got a wild hair up my ass...who knows maybe give it to the kids if it ends up being worth a **** in like 10 years....Anyway I drive a Silverado 1500, have a meyers 71/2 with tail gate spreader. Added a couple leaf springs and cranked up front so we arent sagging around here.......locked in about 40 residential drives all in same neiborhood and a Hotel about a mile away with parking for about 50. I work full time as the mailman for these fine snow customers of mine and have 1 guy gonna be with me full time plowing while I get them their mail. Am I gonna make it? what is fair to pay this dude, its all my equipment? yes I have insurance, Licensed to plow in my municipality bla bla bla, I learned how to bid em by just looking at other bids to same addresses.......can truck handle it? Any advise would be helpful and very much appreciated. Ohh Also promised plows on residential in the am by 6 oclock, to get them out in the morning.............Am I nuts? Thankyou!!!!
     
  2. JohnnyRoyale

    JohnnyRoyale 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,935

    Sounds like you got it figured out. Good luck.

    BTW-How did you "just look at other bids for the same address?"-just curious.
     
  3. Snowman1663

    Snowman1663 Junior Member
    Messages: 7

    I'm the Mailman.....got about 500 homes on my mail route....known em all for years. I just asked and they showed me. Then I just said......well damn I can do it for that!!! And then they said "we'd rather you do it anyway, we've known you for years.....hows the wife and kids" And I said their fine....see you when it snows. Now I'm the SnowMan too!!! Actually workes out slick......No one gets a flyer thru in my neiborhood, without me seeing it.....So unless they pay for postage....It never gets to my people.
     
  4. asps4u

    asps4u Senior Member
    Messages: 543

    I would be furious if you were in the neighborhoods where I spent hours passing out fliers.:realmad: But, you're not so good luck to you :drinkup::waving:
     
  5. CMU07

    CMU07 Member
    Messages: 68

    yah well i'm sure he's talking about the flyers guys like to put in mailboxes, which is illegal without postage... learned this the hard way (even though i knew it before hand). However, I think it's funny that I put my invoices in mailboxes all day long and the post office has nothing to say about it. But when I put a flyer it ends up in my PO Box with "Postage Due", that is if they get to it before the potential client!
     
  6. hydro_37

    hydro_37 PlowSite Veteran
    from iowa
    Messages: 3,790

    Paying your sub would depend on experience and the way he treats qquipment.
     
  7. JohnnyRoyale

    JohnnyRoyale 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,935


    You're a loser. (Original comment retacted)
     
  8. Snowman1663

    Snowman1663 Junior Member
    Messages: 7

    Why spend hours passing out flyers?????? Time is money right? Put a stamp on em and let me do the work. Postage stamp cost less than your time is worth to pass them out. Plus trust me........your flyers are getting blown away, tossed out or taken by a mail carrier like me before anyone ever sees them. Thats fact...people arent paying attention to those unless they have first class postage. At least then they open it and boom!!!!! Its in their face. Otherwise, prob a waste of time. I'm sure you have a great book established and I hope it grows and grows so that you can prosper greatly, but from a different perspective, I do believe hand out flyers to be a waste of time, money and energy.
     
  9. JohnnyRoyale

    JohnnyRoyale 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,935

    Who gives you the right to take someone elses hand delivered fliers?













































    P.S. You're still a LOSER. Say a prayer for yourself tonite.
     
  10. buckwheat_la

    buckwheat_la 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,254

    snowman1663 , i think you have made JohnnyRoyale rather pissed off, i see his point of view, you are ruining someone elses hard work, i would also ask you to consider, what if some of your clients would like to receive that ad, really what you are doing is elliminating competition, i wonder if you would like if someone went behind your back to your clients and lowballed you, or even better, told them what you have been doing, i wonder if you would still have a job with the USPS, i hope that some day you go looking at one of your clients mailboxes and throw out something important, because it doesn't have a postal stamp, and maybe they sue your butt. Please reconsider your practice
     
  11. WIPensFan

    WIPensFan PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,491

    No way your getting 40 residentials done by 6:00A.M. Time really flies in the morning!
     
  12. DHDB

    DHDB Member
    Messages: 94

    WOW! Classic example of a "lowballer"!
     
  13. basher

    basher PlowSite Fanatic
    from 19707
    Messages: 8,992

    you need to pay the driver at least twenty five dollars an hour, You need to pay him on the books to maintain your insurance coverage. So calculate the cost of unemployment taxes, medicare/social security matching, retraining taxes, workman's comp and any applicable state/local payroll taxes. If not the minute you have a insurance claim they will question the drivers status, If you can not prove he is an employee then your insurance will be looking to him and his insurance for supplication. If you claim him as a employee and have not been paying all the required insurances and taxes:nono:

    Depends on the driver. Half tons seem to work well for owner operators but are a little light for employee use. They tend to not be quite as concerned with wear and tear and longevity. (see chapter two of Dr. Semen Fraud's* forth coming book Snowplowiing 4 Dummies)


    The driver better be good and fast. At ten minutes per drive that's six hours and forty minutes, so he would have to start at midnight to get them finished by six. If the snow falls until 4am then he will have to do them at the rate of three minutes per drive. Can you say new transmission?

    Then there is the motel, have you made arrangement with another plower to help if your truck goes down? Commercial sites can not afford to be understanding, they need serviced so they do not get sued. If you are contracted and can not provide service and they have to hire someone else to do the work you will be on the hook for the bill. Considering you told us you Lowballed the previous contractor(s) to get the work I will bet you will not find anyone to do the job for what you have bid. We all charge a premium for non-contractual emergency pushes. They also are last on the schedule after all contracted work is finished. The motel will have to pay you your contracted amount but you will pay the guy whom actually does the job whatever he charges, plus will be on the hook for any litigation regardless of who preformed (or failed to preform) the service.

    No you're just under trucked, oversubscribed, and making promises you will not be able to keep. (see chapter four of Dr. Semen Fraud's* forth coming book Snowplowiing 4 Dummies)

    Anytime
    :waving:

    *Dr. of Theology; Church of the Holy Insurrection, PhD, NAPA, MADD, STD, PITA, Executive Director; Institute for the Study of Snowplow Pornocologily)
     
  14. jomama45

    jomama45 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,172

    Something tells me there could be a little "conflict of interest" buried in this business plan somewhere.........
     
  15. Snowman1663

    Snowman1663 Junior Member
    Messages: 7

    I ve been delivering the mail in my area for 15 years. The US government gives me the right as a letter carrier to take anything out of mailboxes that does not have the required postage. As far as classic lowballer...I charge same as the other yaaawhooooos out here, but the residents where I am wanted better service. Anyone of you out there that says you don't take advantage of opportunity is a liar. Thanks for all advise about truck about of account and paying help etc.. I can use all the advise I can get. As far as conflict of interest... Well that's what ensures my snow customers that I will blow away all competition. Good for me, good for them. Everyone has to start somewhere...then one day newbies become senior members too!
     
  16. Snowman1663

    Snowman1663 Junior Member
    Messages: 7

    I ve been delivering the mail in my area for 15 years. The US government gives me the right as a letter carrier to take anything out of mailboxes that does not have the required postage. As far as classic lowballer...I charge same as the other yaaawhooooos out here, but the residents where I am wanted better service. Anyone of you out there that says you don't take advantage of opportunity is a liar. Thanks for all advise about truck about of account and paying help etc.. I can use all the advise I can get. As far as conflict of interest... Well that's what ensures my snow customers that I will blow away all competition. Good for me, good for them. Everyone has to start somewhere...then one day newbies become senior members too!
     
  17. JohnnyRoyale

    JohnnyRoyale 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,935

    Really???

    Brother, get off your high horse....your a friggen mail man. You deliver mail-end of story.

    What if the homeowner is leaving something in the mailbox to be picked up by someone.? Or what if a current service provider drops an invoice in a mailbox for the current homeowner?

    I call b fn s on your so called right....You do not own the mailbox, nor does your stupid government...back up your so-called right with some proof!

    That's called theft in most parts of the world, in Canada, tampering with the mail, whether postage stamped or not is a federal offence-smart a$$ posties do time for what you are claiming is your right.

    If you were rifling through MY mailbox-you'd get the biggest sh!t kicking of your life. JMO :drinkup:
     
  18. basher

    basher PlowSite Fanatic
    from 19707
    Messages: 8,992

    :laughing::laughing:Good Luck
     
  19. buckwheat_la

    buckwheat_la 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,254

    i have to go with Johnny on this one, if my mailman was going through my mailbox and throwing ANYTHING away on me, there would be HELL TO PAY, oh well, as for the guy passing out those fliers, lets hope he smartens up and starts putting them on vehicles. as far as rights go, i am going to excersize my right not to help you, or give you any information.
     
  20. In The Hills

    In The Hills Junior Member
    Messages: 7

    LMAO,, Try that up my neck of the woods and you'd be asking for a pretty severe beatdown,

    Had a case up this way where a rural mail carrier was taking flyers she thought might compete with her husbands home handyman business. She ended up getting fired. He didn't do much business because somehow his truck burst into flames one night,, The REALLY weird part was,, So did his new replacement,,, The OPP (Police) also raided their farm because they received a tip they were growing pot and had a Meth Lab.... What are the odds of that coincidence. :)