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New Holland Super Boom Skid Steers

Discussion in 'Heavy Equipment' started by merrimacmill, Oct 1, 2010.

  1. merrimacmill

    merrimacmill PlowSite.com Addict
    from MA
    Messages: 1,822

    I am anticipating the purchase of 1 or 2 new skid steers for this season. I have been going around checking out all the different major brands to see what will fit my needs best since the newest skid I've owned is a 2002, a lot has changed since then in skids.

    After testing deere, case, bobcat, and new holland I found that I liked the new holland the best by far. The cabs are just unbelievable, the pilot controls feel great, the service access is second to none (when the cab tilts the loader arms go with it), dealer support is great, etc. The last brand I need to check out is CAT.

    Around here at least, New Holland does not seem to be a very popular brand. I see almost all CAT or bobcats and a few Cases. Is there anything that people particularly don't like about the New Holland machines that I'm missing? Is there some problem that the Super Boom loader arm design presents? How come other manufacturers haven't embraced the super boom design? It seems like a great design to me, so I don't understand why I don't see more of them.

    And for the price check, I got quoted $39,900 on a L175 with heat/ac, pilot hand controls, hydraulic quick attach, 2 speed, block heater, remote jump start, and a 78" bucket.
     
  2. erkoehler

    erkoehler PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,270

    We have a mid 90's model at the Marina I work for with 5500+ hours. Still runs good. Little tough starting when its very cold, but I'd take it to a job site still in a pinch.
     
  3. JohnnyRoyale

    JohnnyRoyale 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,935

    I was eqully impressed with the New Holland machines too. I was looking at the L185's. From what I have heard (from those that own them), they are great machines and priced right. I dont think you will have a problem going that route. Make sure it comes equipped with self levelling bucket-I'm not sure if that was a standard feature on the New Holland. Good luck.
     
  4. DeVries

    DeVries PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,621

    I've had Bobcat and New Hollands. I will never buy any other machine. The New Hollands are like you say have comfortable cabs, easy to service, have good line of sight out of the back no towers to block your view, and last a long time.

    I'm sure you won't be dissapointed.
     
  5. jomama45

    jomama45 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,172

    Seems somewhat high to me for that size machine, but it could just be that your market commands higher prices. There are a few folks on here that bout 2700# Bobcats in the new series this year, and paid in the low $30,000's. How does the price compare to the other machines you demo'ed?

    As for NH, I can't say that the're bad machine at all. They're fairly common around here, and they used to be the machine of choice in most const. activities. Due to increases competition though, it seems there's a balance of just about everything here now.

    Good luck with w/e you purchase.
     
  6. LoneCowboy

    LoneCowboy PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,760

    I run New Hollands in my business and ran NH's when i worked for the man.

    I think they ride better than most others (longer wheelbase) but that also sometimes creates a larger steering radius. But I've gotten into (and out of) some really tiny spots.

    I always looked foot pedals better than hand controls (case style), never really gotten into the pilot controls (I'm used to the foot). Wouldn't be a deal breaker for me.

    I currently run a L185 with cab and it currently has 1100 hours on it. I have a 1.25yard bucket on it (I move manure, doesn't weigh much), but I use the same bucket for everything. Dirt, rock, etc. A really full bucket of sand will overload it and it won't lift all the way to the top but it's never really been a problem.

    I almost never run at full throttle unless I'm really digging hard, it's a powerful beast.

    cold blooded though, does not like cold mornings, plugging in is a big plus.

    I load my big dump truck (see sig) with room to spare (5' high sides on the dump).

    A L175 isn't quite big enough to do most things. It won't lift a full pallet (most pallets weigh 2500lbs) and it won't quite get tall enough to load most tandem trucks

    Spend a little extra and get a lot more capability for the next step up. (no matter what brand you choose) unless you really limited on space.
     
  7. Brian Young

    Brian Young PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,382

    I love my NH. Rich must be paying well. I know NH was running a special on their LS185's they seem to be the "snow machine". I just wish our 2 yes, 2 NH dealer's were not worthless,lol I was looking to order a factory door and called to one place 3 friggen times and finally got a price.
     
  8. LoneCowboy

    LoneCowboy PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,760

    Oh, honestly I think most SS's nowadays are so good I would buy based on the best dealer. I don't think you can go wrong with any of the big manufacturers. I did see that the new big Case SS (forget the #) now has ride control in some construction equipment magazine.

    now THAT would be worth paying for.
     
  9. Brian Young

    Brian Young PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,382

    You couldnt be more right about dealer support. Just like plow's, mower's or whatever, if your dealer cant take care of you then whats the point. And the new Case's are very nice and I believe the price is nice too, like around 50k
     
  10. jomama45

    jomama45 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,172

    I'd agree


    Agreed again......... :nod:
     
  11. merrimacmill

    merrimacmill PlowSite.com Addict
    from MA
    Messages: 1,822

    All sounds good guys.

    I'm a bit surprised that out of all the machines I tried, I still like NH the best. The cases were way to small in the cabs now. The Deeres have horrible dealer support around where I am and not to mention I plow the dealers largest snow account now so that wouldn't work out. The Bobcats really let me down. I felt they were very loud inside, uncomfortable, and the controls felt no better, maybe worse than the controls on my 2002 Case 85xt. I also didn't like the ergonomics of the cab. I test drove a S650 I believe it was, and also a S185.

    Another feature that is huge deal to me on the New Holland machines is the fact that there is NO lap bar. I hate the lap bar in my case, and all other machines. Being 6' 5'' and only 200 pounds, its not a problem for me like it is for the big guys, but I just don't like having to put down the bar whenever I want to move.
     
  12. blowerman

    blowerman PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,262

    Other than some minor differences, they all better be nice at this point. How would a company make it with a bad machine. (think: Thomas/Volvo skids & JCB)

    I don't like N/H because; well, I don't like the dealer. Beyond that, I don't like cocking the right hand to use attachments like our blowers.
    So, this year I traded out my last New Holland for a Deere 326D. Well see how the dealer support is.
    As for the price on that N/H175, that seems high.
     
  13. LoneCowboy

    LoneCowboy PlowSite.com Addict
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    On the NH's you have to engage the seat belt. (and you can't just leave it hooked in)
    there's always something.
    I asked about getting it removed, my mechanic tells me it's all tied into the valves and controls, it's not an easily defeat-able thing.

    damn safety nazi's.
     
  14. JpLawn

    JpLawn Senior Member
    Messages: 208

    The way you fix the seat belt issue is get another belt end and plug it in. I would think that would fix it. I ran a NH 170 it plowed real nice. Had a 8' protech on it. The cabs are nice and comfortable. Good luck on your new machines.

    Oh ya, I'm a bobcat fan.
     
  15. shooterm

    shooterm Senior Member
    from Midwest
    Messages: 260

    They dont age well. Around the thousand hour mark your going to be screaming at all the little gremlins in the machine. All the machines bought about three to two years ago are going through the same problems in our shop. Seatbelt needs to be clicked in and out. Quiktach gets off center or manual tachs needs mauls. Random stuttering of hydraulics when nothing has changed load wise. I grew up running them on the farm and had a hard on for them for the longest time. There skids are nothing like they used to be.
     
  16. jomama45

    jomama45 PlowSite.com Addict
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    Pretty sure they have a seat sensor as well, and that doesn't work. The whole safety belt thing is a big turn-off for me, as you have to get in & out every time you want to start it to let it warm up. Maybe not a deal breaker to others though.
     
  17. Bird21

    Bird21 Senior Member
    Messages: 535

    You may want to look at the machines that have been on snow lease for a year or two they are much cheaper than new. I usally add one every year or two from this program with about 500 hours on them. Do I like them for snow removal, well I have 4 so yes I love them. I also run Case machines and perfer them in dirt work. The New Hollands are Ls180 and Ls 185 and one 7775 John Deere which was made for Deere back in 97. The 7775 is small and used in a Townhome application so it does well in tight spots. The 2 Ls180s do driveways about 125 or so and do great, the 2 speed is such as asset.

    I am looking for another machine now and will most likely get another Ls185.

    Only minor problems but I am maintenance freak, full service before snow season needed or not, touch painting yearly, pressure wash top to bottom inside out before snow season. I am in the process of doing this now, check everything twice and then again...........

    I run Snow Wolf 9 foot plows with wings on them.


    Good Luck and PM me I have a great dealer here that would get you a good deal too, all you have to do is send a check..
     
  18. magnatrac

    magnatrac PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,055

    I love the new hollands that I have had . I started with an ls 160 and then ordered an L175 when they came out in 07. It is the same size as my 160 was but with tons of power. I don't want a large frame skid so it was perfect for me. I feel like I am in a cadillac with the 2 speed and hydro mont plate. It will lift more than the 2000 lbs. that they say. With out tracks in the winter I unload pallets of salt 2400 lbs. with no issues. In the summer I have tracks that act as counter weights and can move pallets of pavers around. I can't lift them off a semi but no problem getting them off of my trailer. If you are looking for a mid sized skid the 175 is great !!!
    Good luck , shaun
     
  19. merrimacmill

    merrimacmill PlowSite.com Addict
    from MA
    Messages: 1,822

    Thats good to hear. SO many guys I talk to say "go bigger! get a full size machine!" But I really don't want a full size machine. I already have one. My Case 85xt is a pretty serious skid steer and i'll always have at least one large machine around, but since they'll only be used for snow its honestly a waste of money for anything to much bigger in my particular application.
     
  20. forestfireguy

    forestfireguy PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,276

    We run 8 NH skidsteers all year, we have one OLD bobcat 753. and We just got a c175 this year, Despite very hard use these machines really don't let us down.