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New Dodge Ram...

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by SlimJim Z71, Apr 22, 2001.

  1. SlimJim Z71

    SlimJim Z71 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,031

    Just saw this picture over on PickupTruck.com

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    I see a little Mercedes influence in there. Those wheels look a lot like the wheels that come on some of the Benz SLK models. Think maybe the tranny's will hold up a little better? I've always liked Dodge trucks, but I'm a little leary due to all the complaints. Not that I'm going to run out and buy one tomorrow, but what do you guys think? Will these be better or worse?

    -Tim
     
  2. Deere John

    Deere John Senior Member
    Messages: 410

    I see IFS under there Tim - a Benz attribute since Chryco/Jeep are solid-axle folk?
     
  3. SlimJim Z71

    SlimJim Z71 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,031

    Man you've got good eyes... it took me a few minutes, but I think you're right. Looks like the Dodge boys aren't going to be able to criticize GM for their IFS anymore.

    -Tim
     
  4. thelawnguy

    thelawnguy PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,011

    Dodge is following the pack-IFS on light duty line, solid axle on a separate HD line for 2003.

    "Think maybe the tranny's will hold up a little better? I've always liked Dodge trucks, but I'm a little leary due to all the complaints"

    Y'know, its always the "friend of a friend told me" syndrome with Dodge trannys, Ive never actualy met anyone with what could be considered a premature failure. I know there was one person on this board who claimed they put something like 8 trannys in a 96 within 100k but I would tend to believe that, after the first one, the other failures were due to a problem with the rebuild and/or installation.
     
  5. SlimJim Z71

    SlimJim Z71 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,031

    Actually, not that I don't agree with you, I know several people personally that have had repeated problems with their transmissions. I definately know what you mean about the "friend of a friend" syndrome.

    -Tim
     
  6. DaveO

    DaveO PlowSite.com Veteran
    from Ma.
    Messages: 299

    friend of a friend

    Tim,

    I had the same mindset myself. I did NOT buy a diesel Ram because of ALL the prob's I heard about the tranny's. Finally after doing some serious research, and "talking" with guys like Bill and John D. who ACTUALLY owned and WORKED their trucks, I decided it was more heresay than anything.

    I bought an '01 diesel ram. Awesome truck, you have to own one to understand. And with some "minor" tweaks, you'd be amazed of it's power. Ask Greg "dockboy" about his "stroke" when tuned up. My ram has over 30K on it, and towed quite a bit, including Daytona and back. I have no complaints about the transmission. Seems to shift better than both the Fords and Gm's I tested.

    I do have a friend with an '00 diesel ram who had a trans problem. He snapped the output shaft in 1/2. Am I worried? Hardly, he was doing a little "brakestand", and has over 900ft/lbs of torque(dyno'd). I'm surprised nothing else broke.

    All the new trucks are decent nowadays IMO(execpt Dino's)LOL.

    Dave
     
  7. Remsen1

    Remsen1 Senior Member
    Messages: 188

    IFS Belongs in Cars only! I don't want a 4WD, EL Camino, I want a truck!
     
  8. SlimJim Z71

    SlimJim Z71 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,031

    I didn't start this thread to be a brand war... BUT COME ON!!! What is wrong with IFS?!?! Mine has held up great, and so has the 19 other GM IFS equipped trucks that my friends and co-workers drive. Not one IFS related problem in any of them.

    So again I ask... WHAT IS WRONG WITH IFS?

    -Tim
     
  9. oldmankent

    oldmankent PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,318

    What is wrong with IFS

    IFS just doesn't have any balls compared to a solid piece. And they have more things that can go wrong with them. sometimes nothing does go wrong though.
     
  10. SlimJim Z71

    SlimJim Z71 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,031

    Actually, if you think about it, there's less that is likely go wrong. With an IFS system, there is a LOT less unsprung weight on the front end. Meaning an easier ride, less stress on the axles themselves, and less stress on the differential. The only things the really have any stress put on them is the torsion bars, the control arms, and the wheels & tires. With a solid axle system, you have everything below the springs as unsprung weight. Axles, axle housing, differential, wheels, tires, etc. That's a lot more abuse to the front drive-train.

    I'm not saying one is better than the other, they both have their drawbacks, but IFS can't really be that bad if more manufacturers are switching to it, and a lot are already using it.

    -Tim
     
  11. Remsen1

    Remsen1 Senior Member
    Messages: 188

    I don't think the manufacturers had snowplowing in mind when they went to IFS. Their train of thought is swinging toward the market of people who want trucks, but will not use it as a truck very often. If I wasn't thinking about snowplowing I would think IFS was great because it would give a better ride. When I am on the market for a new truck (which will be a long time from now) I'll just have to buy a 3/4 or 1-ton for plowing.
     
  12. 75

    75 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,382

    Interesting piece of trivia here: I scrapped 2 trucks for "donor parts" (cab off one, front clip off the other) for a long-term project of mine. One was a '60 Chevy 1-ton, the other was a '61 Chevy 5-ton. Now, these were 2wd trucks, but both had independent front suspension - with torsion bars.

    As far as the IFS/straight axle debate, here's my $.02:

    IFS: more moving parts, less unsprung weight = better ride, better handling. Not as forgiving of neglect/abuse.

    Straight axle: Fewer moving parts, much greater unsprung weight (especially on 1-ton and up trucks) = much more "truck-like" ride & handling, somewhat more resistant to neglect/abuse - but not "idiot proof"! U-joints can (and do) break, and ignoring maintenance will still catch up in time.

    From speaking with a few people in my area whose plow trucks have IFS, I don't think there's anything wrong with it if you keep your maintenance up to date and avoid abusing the truck.
     
  13. yorkpaddy

    yorkpaddy Member
    Messages: 32

    i doubt Mercedes had much to do with the design of this truck. it has been in the pipeline for a while
     
  14. John DiMartino

    John DiMartino PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 2,154

    In Dodge's defense,the truck is only a 1500,which no one should be buying to plow with anyway,so I think on the 1500 the IFS is fine,since it will ride,handle and track better-like a 1500 should.When the 2500/3500 come out,I sure hope its got a solid axle.
     
  15. BushHogBoy

    BushHogBoy Senior Member
    Messages: 665

    what is IFS anyway, what's it stand for?
    Eric
     
  16. SlimJim Z71

    SlimJim Z71 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,031

    Independant Front Suspension. "Dog Bones" vs. solid front axle. With IFS, the differential is more or less mounted to the frame of the truck, and then has axle shafts that go out to the wheels attached to the control arms.

    -Tim