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New at ice management

Discussion in 'Ice Management' started by Kevlar, Oct 18, 2011.

  1. Kevlar

    Kevlar Junior Member
    from Gardner
    Messages: 7

    I am not a professional by any means. I use a ATV and a 6' plow to do drives and small lots. This year I am offering ice management with a 50lb hopper on the back of my quad. I am curious what will or will not damage concrete drives and the best to use.

    I as also trying to find the best way to get melt in bulk for about 20 driveways. I dont need a dump site by any means. Just something I can haul in my truck to refill the hopper from site to site.

    Thank you for any insight.

    One more thing. Fair pricing for a drive approx. 20x80.
     
    Last edited: Oct 18, 2011
  2. wisco-revi

    wisco-revi Junior Member
    Messages: 15

    magnesium chloride is recommended for new concrete especially when it is under 1 year old. since you just have a 50lb hopper i would just go with a pallet of bagged salt
     
  3. Schoenberg Salt

    Schoenberg Salt Member
    Messages: 83

    Please ask your vendor for something in writing about MAG being ok on new concrete... when they refuse to give that to you then you can be assured it is not safe for concrete less then 1 year old.
     
  4. wisco-revi

    wisco-revi Junior Member
    Messages: 15

    tests and chemical properties show MAG as you call it, is less corrosive to concrete and to steel/other iron alloys as well as less harmful to plants/landscaping as opposed to tradition sodium chloride rock salt. i don't need my supplier to tell me that. science tells me that. not saying MAG isnt corrosive but in a comparison against rock salt it is less corrosive than rock salt.
     
  5. Schoenberg Salt

    Schoenberg Salt Member
    Messages: 83

    The problem is not corrosion (which almost any deicer is less corrosive then rock salt btw) but the magnesium chloride will chemically attack the NEW CONCRETE, not corrode it. To recommend using ANY chloride on concrete under 1 year old is wrong.
     
  6. wisco-revi

    wisco-revi Junior Member
    Messages: 15

    ok then what about calcium magnesium acetate? what do u recommend?
     
  7. Schoenberg Salt

    Schoenberg Salt Member
    Messages: 83

    For the Original Poster... depending on what report you read and who you speak to... for sidewalks you will want a straight Calcium or Magnesium, or even a Premium Blend.
     
  8. wisco-revi

    wisco-revi Junior Member
    Messages: 15

    what is happening in this "attacking"? just curious. i didnt know about this.
     
  9. Schoenberg Salt

    Schoenberg Salt Member
    Messages: 83

    The only product I have ever had a manufacturer OK for use on concrete 1 month to 1 year old is PURE CMA or Calcium Magnesium Acetate or NAAC or Sodium Acetate. As you can see these are not Chlorides and are not cheap (if you ever got a price under $55 a bag for a TL worth its not pure).
     
  10. wisco-revi

    wisco-revi Junior Member
    Messages: 15

    i will keep that in mind.
     
  11. Kevlar

    Kevlar Junior Member
    from Gardner
    Messages: 7

    Let me make this easier and less argumentative. All my drives are over 1 year old. Now, what would be recommended, i will not be applying layer after layer. Only here and there as requested by the customer. I do not want to go broke on the expense of buying ice melt either. So cheaper the better.

    Thanks.
     
  12. Chicago Dave

    Chicago Dave Junior Member
    from chicago
    Messages: 22

    go with rock salt by the pallet, you should be fine.
     
  13. Schoenberg Salt

    Schoenberg Salt Member
    Messages: 83

    ^^^ Agreed. If you want some more "umphh" look into a low end Blend with some Calcium or Magnesium in it or a Begged Treated salt with the same Calcium or Magnesium, just sprayed on. Some are not more then straight rock salt.
     
  14. Will Do

    Will Do Junior Member
    Messages: 2

    I am going to be taking care of sidewalks and entryways at a church. How do I decide which blend to use? Concrete is over 6 years old. I was told not to use straight rock salt because it will be dregged into the building, but there are so many blends.
     
  15. dfd9

    dfd9 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,475

    You better check your science. I see that Schoenberg helped you out, but you seriously need to do some research before recommending and then getting upset when someone disagrees with you.

    Why is Mag not allowed to be used on Iowa highways? And numerous other muni's have stopped using it?

    DO a search for Michigan Tech's study on all 3 chlorides and determine for yourself what science has proved.

    I would debate your last statement. Properly installed, cured, air entrained concrete is just fine if chlorides are used. The problem being, not many know if the above 3 traits are true.

    I've dumped tons of salt on many different sections of concrete under 1 year old without a problem. And will continue to as needed.

    Do you see "chloride" in that formulation?

    Like I said, do a search for the study that MTU did a few years back. It will open your eyes.

    Ummmm, isn't the customer paying for it? If priced properly, how would you go broke using ice melt?