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Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by MusGuy, Jan 13, 2001.

  1. MusGuy

    MusGuy Member
    Messages: 65

    I have a Ford f250..... 1986, great rebuilt 351, great man tranny....

    has a 8 foot meyer that chews up snow great....

    One prob, can not get the tires to bite....
    I have 600 lbs in the back, not enough?

    The one problem I believe I have is I have really lumpy tires.... big off road, mud tires... how do I get them to bite without getting new tires, and without chains... Illegal in my state....

    Your help would be appreciated
  2. senor plow

    senor plow Junior Member
    Messages: 22

    can't get traction either

    I have the same problem as you. I have a gmc jimmy full size with a 350. I have 33inch 12.5 inch wide big mud offroad tires too. I can not get any decent traction. I put 5 -60 pound bags of tube sand in the back. Then I added a 50 pound bag of sand. I have my full size spare tire back there which is like another 60 pounds. Tried that and still was spinning around doing driveways. 2 days ago , I added 100 pounds of free weights from my home gym. Then I added about 120 pounds of rocks. I have yet to try this in the snow yet. have thousands of pounds more of rocks if needbe. I think the smartest thing is to get thinner tires
  3. Alan

    Alan PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,393

    M U D= Mud,, S N O W=Snow,, got that?

    Shed the wide mud boots and get some narrow SNOW tires. If you're running 16" tires try something in the 245/75 or 235/85 with a snow tread. If you don't need a lot of carrying capacity, go with Cooper Weathermaster in 245/75-16. If you need to carry heavy, look at the Cooper CTD in 235/85-16. In snow you need to get the bite down to the ground, not flotation that mud tires are made for. Also, most mud tires do not ahve really good designs with the tread oriented properly to grab on snow. Also, the big blocks of tread on most mud tires just can't get through packed snow.
  4. senor plow

    senor plow Junior Member
    Messages: 22

    now what do I do

    Ok, I CAN'T afford to switch my tires right now. Unless you know a cheap way of doing it. I don't want to change them out myself. What else can I do to get better traction. I have already added about 5-600 pounds of weight so far
  5. thelawnguy

    thelawnguy PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,011

    Chains. Or used SNOW tires.
  6. sam c

    sam c Member
    Messages: 58

    i used to have that prob. on an 87 gmc jimmy i used to have. so i would take off the 33x12.50R 15" remington wide brutes on alloys in the winter and put on a set of 31x10.50 R15" yokohama super diggers studded on cheap steel wheels i painted to match the truck. i had those tires for four winters on two different trucks and they plowed great! the 33 gallons of gas the 87 jimmy held was plenty of weight. that was 14 yrs. ago, now i know that narrow will give more traction. but i still don`t like the way narrow tires look on jimmys,blazers & bronkos.
  7. Kent Lawns

    Kent Lawns PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 315

    SIPE them.

    Discount Tire will sipe those tires for $8 each and that will greatly improve your traction especially with a mud tire.
  8. John DiMartino

    John DiMartino PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 2,154

    If you cant afford to change tires now-how could you afford to operate at all.You know what you need to do,buy tires,or slide around,maybe you'll burn up a tranny or spider gears in the rear because your spinning so much.Dont say we didnt warn you.there has to be a wrecking yard around you,even used 1/2 worn snow tires are better than what you've got.My trucks never spin a tire,unless i do something stupid or try.I like the cooper dicoverer M/S,and the goodyear wrangler GSA's i have on the 3/4 ton are good for the money,they are E rated too.The only other thing is more weight,when i have a yard of sand in the spreader,I could plow in 2wd about 3/4 of the time if i had to.I bet you could put at least another 600-1000 lbs easily since you have an F250.It couldnt hurt.
  9. senor plow

    senor plow Junior Member
    Messages: 22

    siping my mud tires?

    Is siping something done only by discount tires or do most tire places perfomr siping.?
  10. Kent Lawns

    Kent Lawns PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 315

    Oh, I'm sure many places do it. Discount Tire is just one of the larger tire retailers nationwide, thought you might have one nearby.

    And they do siping for cheap ($8)

    Call around, especially the industrial suppliers. Most won't offer siping but someone nearby should.
  11. SCL

    SCL Senior Member
    Messages: 265

    Traction comes from the maximum amount of pressure (PSI) trnsferred to the ground. I learned this from the original Wrangler RT tires. Couldn't figure how something that looked like a 12.5" tractor tire wouldn't move a truck with 1K weight in a 2" snow. This was back in the late 70's and my Dad clued me in real quick. Lately I just purchased a real aggressive set of Bridgestone Brigaderes for my 2wd one ton dump and they work great. Cost me $340 for a set of 4 mounted and balanced. About a half days plowing and you get your money, and your sanity, back.
  12. Alan

    Alan PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,393

    Siping,, I thought that was a lost art

    Damn,, I thought siping was something that had gone with the dinosaurs. Lots of tires make mention of sipes in the tread, but almost universally, those are just molded in, narrow, grooves, not the knife cuts of real siping. I used to run Bandag Commercial Traction retreads that were siped and they had bite. As far as I know, nobody up here in the boonies does siping, but maybe I oughta check into it a little further. No Discount Tire outlets around here.
  13. 9FT.PILES

    9FT.PILES Banned
    Messages: 48


  14. Eager Beaver

    Eager Beaver Senior Member
    Messages: 104

    I agree with the smaller tires. I have plowed with Chevy Blazers and Fords and all did not perform with the larger tires. Even used tires will help you in a smaller size.(they probably have some real good deals on Firestone takeoffs right now)Just kidding!!
    I also have my tires siped and if definately helps in the traction area not only in ice and snow but just on wet pavement. You will not believe the differance in the handeling once you make the change.
  15. Alan

    Alan PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,393

    Unless you're running extremely high pressure to start with, reducing inflation will not help in snow. That may be a standard practice to increase flotation in sand or mud, but flotation is not what you want in snow. In addition, reducing pressure is going to lower the truck some, which is also not what you want to achieve. With the weight of the plow and ballast you need load capacity. Most mud tires are Load Range C, with probably about a 40-45 lb. max inflation, so even at full pressure you're close to the maximum load, particularly on the front axle.

    DYNA PLOW Senior Member
    Messages: 295

    as it was said,reduce your tire pressure a little at a time
    find which pressure helps you. i do a lot of 4 wheeling in the snow and my offroad truck has mud tires on it .i drop the pressure which increases the contact patch of the tire, hence more traction.
    please be sensible in how much air you let out
  17. Gordon

    Gordon Junior Member
    Messages: 19

    Yes siping would help on the wider tires as well as MAX inflation, but still won't solve the problem. Buy a used set of tires if you can't afford a new set right now. In your first storm those tires will more than pay for themselves by putting alot less wear and tear on both you and the truck. If you have to keep thinking about spinning a tire your plowing will be affected more than you could ever think of. By having to alter plow lines, make smaller passes and the constant worry of getting stuck.

    Sometimes you can play the odds but you can never beat them. That is what your doing by using the wrong tires. It's only time before you tear up something expensive---hind sight is 20/20. But by asking the question on this board you can get alittle fore sight and save you a few bucks in the long run.
  18. Chuck Smith

    Chuck Smith 2000 Club Member
    from NJ
    Messages: 2,317

    Used tires are pretty easy to find, even ones already mounted. Many people buy a new truck, then go out and buy aftermarket alloy wheels. You can get the "brand new" used tires and wheels pretty cheap sometimes. Another option is asking at tire shops about "blems". They are often much cheaper. A blem is a tire that has a cosmetic blemish. Nothing wrong with the tire, it just may look odd. Like the raised white letters may not be white. No problem, mount them with the letters facing in.

    I too run 12.5" wide tires. They aren't the greatest in snow, but with weight on them they do fine. Without weight, they spin more than I'd like. They are Cooper Discoverers. Basically an all terrain tread, so not as bad as a wide mud tire would be.

    Alan, you're right about siping. I asked at a shop or two around here, and they looked at me like I had 6 heads! Also, the molded in sipes aren't nearly as effective as cut sipes, as you said.

  19. plowguy06

    plowguy06 Member
    from Ohio
    Messages: 84

    what is siping?
  20. eskals

    eskals Member
    Messages: 40

    Siping is making many, many small and shallow slits in the tire tread