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My Homemade Cutting Edge on My MVP 9.6

Discussion in 'Western Plows Discussion' started by Antlerart06, Feb 4, 2012.

  1. Antlerart06

    Antlerart06 PlowSite Veteran
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    5/8x8'' + I added a chunk off the old edge on the ends for wear bars
    For the Center I have Rubber behind the Edge Keeps snow from falling out in the center when I do windrow 90% time I'm in scoop mode
    What I have in making this
    $130 in steel and my time
    Took me about 2 hrs from start to finish And there was time in there letting it cool down to handle by hand

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  2. 03sd

    03sd Member
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    Nice job I think im going to do this myself after pricing edges for mine.
     
  3. mishnick

    mishnick 2000 Club Member
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    You do realize that original cutting edges are not just mild steal right? Good quality cutting edges are special hard steel and heat treated. Will be interesting to know how long your edge lasts compared to an original.
     
    Last edited: Feb 5, 2012
  4. Antlerart06

    Antlerart06 PlowSite Veteran
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    Well never compare after the First one I got with the plow was new it was the 1/2 and it didnt last me one winter and seeing the Cost of the V plow edge I was not going spend that for one

    I know its mild steel I wasnt born yesterday
    One i took off I put it on new First of jan of 2011 It was a 1/2x8'' My supplier out of 5/8''x8
    Evening if takes 2 of mine to wear as long as a Harden steel edge I'm still saving money
    I started to make my own when I first bought my 8.5 pro plus Think in 2003 That factory Edge then cost 250 plus the poly on the wings total was over 350 and had to drive 60 miles one way pick it up My 8.5 pro+ Cost around $110 for steel+my time
    My 9.2 Boss Vplow cost $120 for steel+ my time
    I'll tell more on next snow how many hrs I ran and take pic of the edge with tape on it show you what I wear i dont run shoes either
     
  5. Tony350

    Tony350 Senior Member
    Messages: 546

    Next time you make new edges make them out of hardened steel. Then you have the best of both worlds. Thats what I do when I make mine.
     
  6. Antlerart06

    Antlerart06 PlowSite Veteran
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    Cheaper this way and it works more money stay in my pockets
     
  7. Tony350

    Tony350 Senior Member
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    Hardened steel isn't twice as much as mild steel, it is about I.5 times as much. So if you are using two of yours to one hardened you are losing money plus time to make them. And usually I can't get the bolts off and have to replace the bolts as well.

    Not trying to piss you off I just checked the prices for steal in my area and hate to see you waste money thinking you are saving money.
     
  8. Antlerart06

    Antlerart06 PlowSite Veteran
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    You not pissing me off You make good point

    Factory Edge 450 1/2x6''
    My edge $130 5/8x8'' double up on ends I can build 3 of them still be cheaper then buying 1 factory edge
    I know here for harden steel is $75 more on top $130
    First one I made was out harden steel it broke reason it broke I cut holes out and under stress + cold weather the holes crack after that I use mild steel Never broke another one

    (Evening if takes 2 of mine to wear as long as a Harden steel edge I'm still saving money ) I said that to show be cheaper then a Factory edge
    Mine last as long as a Factory edge
    The only Test I kinda done Was with my 8.5 pro plus before my MVP
    I had one with my HM Edge and Bought new 8.5 pro+
    My 8.5hm edge had one snow push on it when I bought 2nd plow it came with 1/2''x6 edge
    That year we had lots wet snows
    When my HM edge was ready to be replace the New plow only had 1'' left on it
    But the truck I ran got used more then the truck had new plow so realy wasnt a side x side test
    So for true test I cant give one
    I do know from my books Im spending less now
    Then when I was buying factory edges
    Thats all it matters at end of year what books shows
     
  9. Tony350

    Tony350 Senior Member
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    I am not saying buy factory edges make them out of hardened steel. The only test I have done was with my dads plow and mine. Both are 8.5 western ultra mounts, his is a pro mine being a pro plus. He bought it used and at the start of the season he needed a new edge. I had a piece of mild steel so I put it on.
    He barely got a year out of it. I was still on my factory edge it had about two seasons on it and by the end of the season I was ready for another one. Plus I plow a lot more than my father did at the time so I got almost three years to his one. Next year I put two hardened steel edges on the plow (not factory edges but hardened steel made into cutting edges) this is the third year on them, by the end of the season I will need a new one, he should get another year out of his.

    Next time you are at the steel yard I would ask what the price difference is between mild and hardened, at least for me the math comes out way ahead paying a little more for the hardened and replacing it less. Especially if I figure each time change an edge I have about 13-18 dollars in hardware to replace as well. I agree paying for factory edges is kind of a rip off if you have basic tools and some time.
     
  10. mishnick

    mishnick 2000 Club Member
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    Consider this though... if you buy hardened steel in sheet form you have to cut it with a torch (heat treatment gone) and if you have to drill your own holes then your cutting tools are going to take a beating. At the factory they would cut and puch the holes first and then treat it after it's fabricated. Further to this, if they are doing a good job at the factory they will only harden the cutting edge and leave the bolt edge a bit softer so that they are not so brittle to prevent cracking. Kinda like gears in a transmission are "case hardened" meaning that the outside surface is very hard (and brittle) but the inside is softer and more maliable preventing them from shattering but still providing supirior wear qualities on the meshing surfaces. But bottom line, if your time is free and thet matirials are cheaper then that is the way to go. Personally, my time is worth money. The time I would spend doing this I could be earing $50 an hour working for someone else. Makes sense for me to buy it from the factory, spend less time changing them and spend more time plowing and doing repairs for others for money.
     
  11. Tony350

    Tony350 Senior Member
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    No I don't buy it in sheets, 1/2 by 6'' then just drill or torch holes. I haven't ever had an issue with the steel breaking or cracking by the bolt holes. As always though life is full of the equation of time vs.money.
     
  12. dave leitner

    dave leitner Junior Member
    Messages: 4

    Cutting edge

    The cutting edge tony uses is 6 or 8 inches by 5/8. It comes in lengths up to 20 feet I think. It is made for loader buckets or grader blades but can be used on plows.Cutting to length and blowing holes with torch goes fast.
     
  13. TJS

    TJS PlowSite.com Addict
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    To the OP. Do you have an iron worker to make the square holes for the carriage bolts.
    Also, you can weld with hardfacing rod on the wear surface and it will give you some more wear time. I have a buddy who owns a steel shop and can get the steel required for this and can even punch the square holes in them with his massive iron worker.
    T.J.
     
  14. Antlerart06

    Antlerart06 PlowSite Veteran
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    I cut the square holes out myself with a torch
    No need adding hardfacing weld on it Im happy with the wear I get
     
  15. Antlerart06

    Antlerart06 PlowSite Veteran
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    I said last post that Harden steel is 75 more then My 130 meaning would cost me 205 for harden steel The only harden steel can get is 1/2x6'' not 5/8x8''
    If you get 3 years out Hard edge you must not push much snow All years I push snow when I bought Harden factory edges I be lucky get one winter out of them

    I get snows like we are getting now for next 3 yrs mine will last that long
    But we get snow like 2011 in jan we was getting new snow every 2 days they wont last long

    Only hardware I have is Gas for the torch and wire +gas for the welder
    I never tried do math on how much gas or wire I use on each edge
     
  16. Antlerart06

    Antlerart06 PlowSite Veteran
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  17. Antlerart06

    Antlerart06 PlowSite Veteran
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    Well after this last Snow was first run for the new Edge and 17 hrs during storm and 4 hrs next day
    I figure Plow was used at least 12 hrs I only lost 1/4''
    Im keep track of the wear So I see how long my edges wear compare to harden steel
     
  18. firefighter1406

    firefighter1406 Senior Member
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    Antlerart, are you still using the center rubber edge? Or did you bend something for the center?
     
  19. Antlerart06

    Antlerart06 PlowSite Veteran
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    First year I made the centers used 1/2 x8 and buthad to much time in the centers
    After that one I made all rest where left and right was as close I can to each other and ran 1/2 rubber for center It works for me 90% of the time Im in Scoop The list of jobs I do I have to scoop it all to one spot very little wind rowing The jobs I have that has a lot wind rowing I have my Straight plow Truck doing them
     
  20. firefighter1406

    firefighter1406 Senior Member
    Messages: 328

    Is there anyway I could get some pics? That would be awesome.