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my expierience with a blizzard 810

Discussion in 'Blizzard Plows Discussion' started by BDEMOTT, Feb 18, 2009.

  1. BDEMOTT

    BDEMOTT Senior Member
    Messages: 117

    After plowing with a blizzard 810 (brand new) for 3 seasons( well 2 and 3/4) I just couldnt handle the amount of money i was pooring back into the plow. Im not goin to get on here and say like everyone else that i washed it after every use and stored it indoors, i washed it probably 8 times a year basically after every 3 to 4 times out. The plow was out side most of the winter atached to the truck, the truck only gets driven when it snows, I do how ever store it indoors at the end of the season until the following year. The fluids where changed every fall prior to snowfall and the cylinders where oiled and greesed all year long. The plow was great structuraly and i didnt even ever have a problem with the paint like most of the people on here do, it actually held up pretty well. Everything in the mechanical and elestrical part of the plow was less than satisfactory.

    first season about a month into the year.
    1. wireing harness on the plow side broke pins inside.... new plow side harness w/ labor

    I was ok with that I just decided i would have to pay extra attention to cleaning an greaseing the connection.

    1st season half way through the year.
    2. wire going fron the battery to the relay broke off

    After the first season i noticed that the hydro cylinders are pitting and corroding faster than i have ever seen a plow do before.

    second season
    3. plow light harness burns up causeing a fire which melted a hole in my grill... . new harness new grille and labor

    4. plow is moving slowly and motor is wineing louder than normal. new pump, motor, and plow side harness is shot again.

    5. drivers side angle cylinder is leaking out of the damaged seal that was caused by the pitted rams..... new cylinder

    third season
    6. passenger side cylinder is leaking out of the damages seal that was caused by the pitted rams..... new cylinder

    7. plow is moving slowly and motor is wingin again ....new pump and motor.

    At this point i had enough and sold it.

    Lets just say that honestly and i have the recipts to prove it that i spent as much as if i were to buy 2845 items at the dollar store. this is all non regular maint. in my opinion, i am not including oilchanges and any other anual things that i did to it.

    I thought maybe my dealer was scamming me with the motors and pumps so i took them to a electric motor specialist in my area and he told me that the motors where both pretty well shot. In his opinion it has alot to do with the fact that they are designed to be mounted vertically rather than horizontally for optimum performance. and all anyone else could say is that blizzard made a huge mistake mounting everything on the plow where all the vibration is.

    the reason im posting this isnt to start a war about how i didnt take care of my equiptment and thats y its happening and its not blizzards fault, but to inform people that are in the market about my short experience with blizzard plows.

    there is better buitl and designed equiptment out there, my father plows with a fisher V for the last 8 years and everything on it is original excpet the hoses, the plow is actually on its second truck. that is y I have now gone back to fisher and will continue to stay with them.

    I bought the plow in the first place to generate more profitability with my work, being that the plow is TRULY MORE EFFICIENT and the most efficient on the market at the time i purchesd it. but i do belive that being a single truck operation i lost the $ that i may have gained by being more efiicent in the costly repairs and not to mention the extra cost of the plow.

    I hope this doesnt get deleted because i am truly not bashing but only posting my experieice with the plow.
     
  2. procut1

    procut1 Senior Member
    Messages: 380

    Well Ive experienced almost everything you have listed myself.

    I think the bugs have gotten worked out of the newer Blizzards but I will say that if you own one, mechanical and electrical knowlege is a must along with stocking spare parts.

    The problem with Blizzards is that there are so many little problems that happen electrically that render the plow completely inoperable. Theyre not like chain plows that you can "rig up" if you get to an auto parts store or something.

    With that said, they are the most efficient, best pushing, nicest scraping plows I have ever used. Unless I dont have a choice I really dont want to plow with anything but a blizzard. They are a huge time saver.

    Its fortunate that Im a mechanic, have a full shop, and electrical is my strong point, so anything that breaks on it, I can fix in minutes. But for someone without that ability, you are in for a lot of downtime.
     
  3. MBB

    MBB Senior Member
    Messages: 129

    7 season blizzard plow, gettin long in the tooth, a few hoses, a wing pivot pin( only because it needed new wing hose), new motor (1 only) new edges. Still runing on orginal cylinders and pump and wiring harness, although the float mode is questionable at this point. Calumet build not DD. If I can get a part or remanufacture it, I can mostly do all my own repairs. The learning curve was longer though.
    Going to need a bunch of tweaks this summer just to correct age/wear factors.
     
  4. procut1

    procut1 Senior Member
    Messages: 380

    The cutting edge prices are no joke i will say.
     
  5. lilweeds

    lilweeds PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,178

    Given I'm only on my second season, but so far no issues. Mine is now an Erie Special #99. I still don't see the issue with the motor were it is, shouldn't make any difference if it's a good motor. Generally the motors fail from drawing to much current. Too much current can be cause when voltage is low (remember Ohm's lawn from school?). Also resistance can come into play (corrosion) and give you the same result.

    My opinion is probably your dealer (as many aren't) was not educated in electrical systems and never fixed the root cause of your motor problems.

    And yes everyone says the harnesses suck, hopefully that is one area D&D can eventually fix. God know they've made most parts of the plow worse now!

    Cutting edges easy fix. Winters Xtendors on the wings. Edges will love you like that girl at the massage parlor!
     
  6. rjfetz1

    rjfetz1 Senior Member
    from CT.
    Messages: 639

    My first season with blizzard was a short on only 4 storms, however I had to replace 2 cylinders and pump, motor and one hose during my second season. That was close to $1200.00. Ouch.
     
  7. beam

    beam Senior Member
    from pa
    Messages: 314

    Plow going on 4 years now beat the hell out of it!!!! just replaced angle cyl on drivers side changed valves and for paint ok sits out side most of year !!! being a dealer for them helps with the tricks and even the guy in erie has helped alot with what too watch out for and tech support sorry your phone doesnt work to try another dealer but in my opinion best plow that there is hands down!!!!!!! ps only ever changed out one motor for being slow in about 150 installs!!!!
     
  8. BDEMOTT

    BDEMOTT Senior Member
    Messages: 117

    how many times have u replaced the wireing harness on ur customers plows... and not for nothing but i get an average of 26 trips out a year here. this isnt pa where ur lucky to get about 10
     
  9. Mark Witcher

    Mark Witcher Senior Member
    Messages: 604

    My 810 just finished its 5th season. Its made me about $125,000 in revenue to date. I have replaced cutting edges once $400, 2 selonoids $30, wing spring $20. Before next year it will need some repair on the lift linkages, pins and plates are worn. I have had NO issues with the electrical at all.
     
  10. beam

    beam Senior Member
    from pa
    Messages: 314

    all the time. seems like it is the sameones whoo think hook up, go till she breaks or it don't work!!!!!! they have no preventive maintance skills but then i wouldn't make any payup but your dealer should have told you to keep clean.. all of the brands seem to have the same problem with wiring
     
  11. Jerre Heyer

    Jerre Heyer Senior Member
    Messages: 948

    Most guys here are gearing up for # 40 today. 235+ plus down as of this morning.

    We've done motors and wiring harness's and plugs and solenoids.

    Most of the time it's due to faulty ground install or loose connections. Followed by bad alternator or battery.

    Sorry to hear of the problems that you had. Over the years we've come to develop a lot of methods to greatly improve all brands of plow operation. Wiring is a nemesis for all of them and needs the most attention.

    As far as the cyl's go I agree the chrome was / is crappy compared to many others.
    To the point of blowing out seals and damaging rams that's a design issue that has been addressed to the company but has still not been taken care of . Guess they didn't like some of the Ideas that we came up with. We continue to make improvements every day to the Blizzard as well as other product lines including the Fishers to keep our customers up and running for storm systems that will at times last for 20 - 30 days of plowing in a row.

    Glad to help with suggestions to improve your fishers life and performance.

    J
     
  12. rjfetz1

    rjfetz1 Senior Member
    from CT.
    Messages: 639

    Please take no offense here Jerre - I think his reference is a stock blizzard from a local dealer. Not everyone can afford the time/money to go to your place to have a plow built like a tank. It seems to me Blizzards "out of the crate plows" 4 out of 5 have some issues. Granted other plows have issues too, but dealers have a better supply parts and knowledge. When a blizzard breaks everyone looks for you. Given the cost of the plow, then parts/labor, down time I find these plows not worth the expense or trouble. My dealer was 45 minutes away and I was going last year during or after every storm for something. In 2 seasons I spent $1200.00 and that does not include normal maintenance. My old Fisher I had for 6 seasons and changed the fluid once. Again, they are the best built plow I have ever seen and if you lived next door to you I would have one of yours and not be writing this now. I love the plow when its working cut and dry. Please take no offense, none intended here.
     
  13. Jerre Heyer

    Jerre Heyer Senior Member
    Messages: 948

    No offense taken.

    Honestly I think that a lot of plow dealers get lucky because the MFG's have really dummed things up as far as the plow install goes. This is in part to the truck pool's requiring a high school drop out to be able to put a plow on and get it out the door at minimum wage and they have pushed the MFG's to meet this.

    You would not believe how many plows we get in here that the ground is poorly hooked up or attached to the truck frame or the motor when the battery terminal was 6" away. Lighting is hooked up with std scotch locks without the benefit of any dielectric grease or protection. They are hooked tight to the socket so you can't do a repair when they corrode and the battery and alternator are not correct for the operation.

    They get by past the warranty most of the time and then the fun begins.

    The Blizzards require a little more thought and attention to detail on the installs. A lot of dealers went about it like any other plow and that's where some of the problems come from. Also the factory was learning as they were users but not designers. It took 4 yrs to get them to go the heavy duty solenoid. Not that I dislike the Western / Fisher / Meyer /Boss solenoids.......We change a lot of them every year. I just prefer to provide equipment that the customer can run all season without problems.

    Don't take offense here but the 6 yrs with only changing the fluid once. Wonder why they put the sticker on that says change annually. Of course you can put whatever you want down on paper or on the warranty. Most people toss the manual until they have a problem and then can't find it. Many run there stuff till it won't run with duct tape and a coat hanger anymore and then wait till the night before a storm to cry foul.

    Oh well guess that's where we get our service work from so I shouldn't complain about people who wait till the last minute to fix things they broke the previous season. Overnight shipping and emergency service repair charges are cheap :D
     
  14. rjfetz1

    rjfetz1 Senior Member
    from CT.
    Messages: 639

    Well Said Jerre - :salute: Actually it was not my plow but my brothers plow that only had a fluid change once over 7 years actually. I do change my fluid each year, not so much for useage but for moisture. We don't have nearly as many storms as you do. I hope contractors in your area know how lucky they are to have someone like you around to do the repairs. You should be very proud of the work you do - just think how far people drive to have you work on there PLOW? Keep up the good work..ussmileyflag
     
  15. beam

    beam Senior Member
    from pa
    Messages: 314

    i agree been there done that seen it before and you say to your self what the **** happened here!!!!!!!!!!!!! they must have been:sleeping:
     
  16. LawnProLandscapes

    LawnProLandscapes PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,129


    too bad more dealers werent as knowledgeable as you. my boss dealer seems to be alot like you service wise and know there products well but they dont sell blizzard :cry: the closest place i have that sells blizzard is about a 35 min drive away in yorkville (waynes welding) and i havent dealt with them on anything yet so im kind of worried about how they are. my boss v isnt bad at all i just want to increase my production... do you still do installs if someone bought a new plow setup and brought it out to you to install? how much do the basic erie special upgrades run?


    sorry to hi jack
     
  17. Jerre Heyer

    Jerre Heyer Senior Member
    Messages: 948

    We do installs and re-installs of customer plows all the time. Erie special upgrades can run from $500 to $1500 depending on how far you want to go with your plow and truck.
    J
     
  18. Detroitdan

    Detroitdan PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,937

    Gee, I guess I've been lucky. I've never washed mine. I leave it outside uncovered all year round. Normally I'll wheel the worst rust off and roller some rustoleum on it, but this year I actually had it professionally sandblasted and painted. Wish I hadn't, because almost immediately after it was done I ended up getting new cutting edges and some moldboard welding that ruined the $270 paint job.
    I've replaced angle cylinders I think three times now, all from breakage. Stupid design, no stops. I have never seen one of my cylinders get rusty, don't know why but they don't.
    All in all I can't really complain, my 810 is a 99. I paid $1600 used 5 years ago, Just put cutting edges on it for the first time this year. Including $600 for edges and welding labor, I think I'm maybe up to $1500 invested into maintenance/repair over 5 years.
    Which is not to say it isn't getting old. Centerpin is junk, and I'm always waiting for the other shoe to drop. Never know what might break next.
     
  19. NLS1

    NLS1 Senior Member
    Messages: 316

    Thought I would bring a good thread to the top!
    Jerre, if I wind up with a Blizzard this year it looks like a road trip!!
     
  20. basher

    basher PlowSite Fanatic
    from 19707
    Messages: 8,992

    Yeah, had to cut that sucker everyday:D

    Unfortunately they are the same people who cry about every penny they spend while they are telling you about making $300@hr plowingpayup