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More pretreating ?s

Discussion in 'Ice Management' started by sven1277, Jan 31, 2009.

  1. sven1277

    sven1277 Senior Member
    Messages: 480

    I know there has been a fair amount of talk about pretreating here recently. I picked up a couple of hilly hoa's this year, plus we have had a lot of storms combined with a lot of cold weather without sunshine. After pretreating, how much is lost after the first push? We use both salt and salt/sand mix depending on conditions. I try to use the straight salt as little as possible due to the extra cost, but obviously want the best results achieved.
     
  2. timmy1

    timmy1 Senior Member
    from RI
    Messages: 470

    Very little is "lost". Just spread around.

    I've tried pretreating as the first few flakes are falling and after pushing off the first 1 1/2" inches or so. Haven't seen much difference in the two approaches except the latter is cheaper due to one less trip.
     
  3. 2COR517

    2COR517 PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 7,115

    I do some pretreating. I agree little is lost if you plow during the storm. It definitely cleans up better, and much less ice buildup. It takes a while to learn just how much you need, but I think your customers will be happy.
     
  4. T-MAN

    T-MAN PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,363

    How Much of what is lost after the first push ?
    If your implying what gets plowed up with the first push the answer should be nothing, except snow.
    I think you may be confused on what pre-treating actually accomplishes.
    Pre-treating is to prevent bonding of hard pack to pavement, which leads to ice, and to help "burn off" snow in zero tolerance situations. The Salt will dissolve and form a brine, which coats the pavement, burns off as much as it can, and then will be covered. Heavy ass wet concrete snow tends to "dilute out" pre-treatments, and you wont see "excellent" results, even with the "Super Duper" Magic, Ice Ban, or Geo melt. Warmer temp storms 29-32F dont seem to have as good of results with pre treating IMO. They usually come with higher water content snow, which will dilute anything. Remember any de-iceing product is only good till it dilutes out, then you need more. :D

    As far as sand goes, or a mix it is basically useless for pre-treating, seeing as it does nothing to help paved parking lots short of traction for a brief period of time.
    Now if you are spraying your sand at the spinner with cal or beat juice, you may see some positive results, but the sand laying there at the bottom is useless, except as a carrier, so you Might as well plow it up anyway.
     
    Last edited: Feb 1, 2009
  5. sven1277

    sven1277 Senior Member
    Messages: 480

    Thanks tman, that was helpful info.
     
  6. whit16

    whit16 Junior Member
    from 08820
    Messages: 22

    I agree very helpful tman

    Pre salting is almost a must in high traffic lots like shopping malls. It keeps the snow from icing to the pavement and will keep it slushy for a time until the water content gets too high. We salt after the plowing is complete most of the time as well.A good client with a good understanding of the process and science of it (and a good contract) knows this is the way to do it right.
     
  7. G-rott

    G-rott Junior Member
    Messages: 19

    Salt/Sand mix is not a pre-treatment, The sand only makes a mess. Use straight salt if you must pre-treat,
     
  8. sven1277

    sven1277 Senior Member
    Messages: 480

    Last night was my first storm pretreating with salt and had great results. Temp at when snow started, so things got real slick when it got below freezing. My properties were in good shape, and today, not a single call.
     
  9. whit16

    whit16 Junior Member
    from 08820
    Messages: 22

    Edison township should take note. My streets were an icy mess, accidents everywhere. My lots were wet pavement till 5-6 pm...Pre salting ,even if it costs you a little is well wotrh it...