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Mile Long Driveway (steep in sections)

Discussion in 'Residential Snow Removal' started by bw1997, Nov 17, 2008.

  1. bw1997

    bw1997 Junior Member
    from VT
    Messages: 4

    Hello,

    Brand new to the board and I've got a question.

    This'll be my first winter on a new forested parcel in central Vermont.

    I spent the summer fixing up the logging road in to our new barn, (blasting, laying down rock rubble, etc.). Now I've got to keep it open. I've only previously done snow removal (little driveway) with a rear scraper blade on my tractor.

    I need a truck and a plow. Ideally, I want a truck that hasn't been used as a plow truck before.

    Now the questions.

    -With the length of the driveway, it's relative steepness, and the fact that I'm in a snowbelt (9 feet in the woods last April 25) what do I need?

    I can really only afford about $10k for the truck plus plow.

    I've been looking for a 03-06 Chevy or GMC 2500HD. Not many around in my price range, but there are tons of half-ton Chevy's.

    -Should I consider a 2003-2006 Ford F-250? Merits of Ford vs. Chevy?

    -Can I get away with a half-ton since there are more around and they're in my price range?

    -Should I look for something even bigger?

    -Plow recommendations? I'm probably going to need to plow downhill both sides of the drive.

    Thanks in advance for advice!
     
  2. bw1997

    bw1997 Junior Member
    from VT
    Messages: 4

    Sorry, it's vague in the original post. I can afford 10k for the truck, I expect to pay above and beyond that for for the plow.

    So we're talking 12k-15k total.
     
  3. erkoehler

    erkoehler PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,268

    Where do you plan to pile the snow? If you get that much snow, the banks are going to slowly close in the driveway.

    How wide did you cut the drive?
     
  4. Grn Mtn

    Grn Mtn PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,644

    if its just your driveway i wouldn't be concerned about getting a truck that has not plowed before. stay away from 1/2 tons, newer ones just are not designed to handle to punishment plowing does on a truck. go to trucktrader.com and find a good truck priced right, hell if it has a plow even better (again if your only doing this road why waste more money.

    what you really want is a "v" plow so you can bust open drifts better yet get a sidewing plow added on so you can keep the tires on the road but bench back the drifts.
     
  5. bw1997

    bw1997 Junior Member
    from VT
    Messages: 4

    As far as removing piles. The driveway drops off steeply into the ravine on one side. That side won't be a problem. At some point I'll probably have to push or remove snow with the tractor and bucket from the other side.

    The driveway is about 12 feet wide.

    If it gets out of hand this year, I may put a snow blower on the the tractor next year.
     
  6. Mick

    Mick PlowSite.com Veteran
    from Maine
    Messages: 5,546

    I plowed 12' driveways for two years with a half ton. But I'd agree with a 3/4 ton. Mainly, make sure it's 4wd and put the attn on a good set of snow tires, both for the grade. Then, don't let it build up more than around 6-8". Doing just your own driveway isn't going to hurt the truck much - even using a 1/2 ton. The harm comes from running around with the plow up and from slamming piles.
     
  7. mercer_me

    mercer_me PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,361

    Get a 3/4 4x4 with a 8.5' Fisher V plow or 8.2' Boss V plow. 1/2 ton is way to small for what you are doing.
     
  8. Ford445

    Ford445 Senior Member
    from Vermont
    Messages: 243

    Is it really a mile long? If so whatever plow you choose should be a v plow. I personally wouldnt use anything smaller than a 3/4 ton truck, reg cab long box. If you can afford a diesel, buy one.

    BW, where in Vermont are you?
     
  9. bribrius

    bribrius PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,609

    i vote for old loader or bull dozer. Not that you may really need one but a driveway like that would be the perfect excuse for me to buy a nice new "old" toy.
     
  10. 18lmslcsr

    18lmslcsr Senior Member
    from WI.
    Messages: 113

    Hire a shmoe too come do it 4 u and stay in the house where it's warm!

    C.
     
  11. mercer_me

    mercer_me PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,361

    I got to thinking and 3/4 ton is kind of small for that driveway. You could buy an old dump truck with a plow and wing for under $10,000, somthing like a GMC 8500 or Ford 8000 or 9000 would work good.
     
  12. Mick

    Mick PlowSite.com Veteran
    from Maine
    Messages: 5,546

    Anything bigger than a 3/4 ton is really overkill for one driveway, even if it is a mile. Even the cost of a V-plow is too much, even if it WOULD be fun. You're just wanting to get the job done and that can be done with a 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton with a 7.5' or 8' plow.
     
  13. bribrius

    bribrius PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,609

    i plowed stuff like that last year with my half ton mick. I agree it can be done. But pushing up hill it wont like too much.
    I did it with my half ton and it really didnt like it.
    But yeah, a straight blade wouldnt be so bad since he said he only really has one side of the drive to put the snow on. the other side builds up too much and he will have to get out the tractor.
    k. how about a thousand dollar beater one ton for a yard truck and a cheap dozer mick?
    i just really like dozers. ;)
     
  14. Mick

    Mick PlowSite.com Veteran
    from Maine
    Messages: 5,546

  15. bribrius

    bribrius PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,609

  16. Young Pup

    Young Pup PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 5,491

    Now that is moving some snow. It is also loud when you have your speakers cranked up.


    JP
     
  17. chcav1218

    chcav1218 Senior Member
    Messages: 954

    Buy any 3/4 ton truck that suites your fancy, as long as it has 4wd, and then buy a used plow. You'll be all set.
     
  18. adksnowo

    adksnowo Senior Member
    Messages: 370

    Maybe a beater 3/4 or 1 ton w/ a plow, don't even have to license-insure it. Not beating a nicer, newer truck. Could have no fear of chaining it up when the snow warrants it. No need to remove ballast, either. For 10k you could tractor it.
     
  19. zabMasonry

    zabMasonry Senior Member
    from vt
    Messages: 100

    "As far as removing piles. The driveway drops off steeply into the ravine on one side. That side won't be a problem. At some point I'll probably have to push or remove snow with the tractor and bucket from the other side."

    Sounds like you have a tractor already. What i did was take an old blade that i picked up for a couple of hundred buck and make some small alterations to fit a 3 point hitch. It works great and was really cheap. A friend of mine has a snowblower for his tractor, but he only uses that in large storms, for the most part he uses a large ATV with a plow.

    IF you do want a truck. Walkers Ford deals fisher plows, and Capitol City Automart (GMC) is a boss dealer. Don't know what other dealers do but the Worcester Outback (sometimes called K & N auto sales) sells Curtis plows, and Rob LeClair is a great guy.
     
  20. bw1997

    bw1997 Junior Member
    from VT
    Messages: 4

    Thanks to all for the advice.

    Just a few responses to individual questions.

    First, I'm in Roxbury, VT for all the VTers.

    Second, I'm in the market for a late model truck because I crushed a deer a few weeks ago with my old Volvo.

    I can't buy two vehicles this year.

    As far as just using the tractor, it may come down to that, but plowing in reverse with the scraper blade is going to get old. I don't want to put a quick attach blade on, because I'm afraid I'll beat the heck out of the front end loader.

    New Haven is selling one of their town plow trucks. That would be fun.

    Lastly, that Oshkosh is ridiculous. Wow.