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Melting machine

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by Melting, Aug 11, 2014.

  1. Melting

    Melting Junior Member
    from USA
    Messages: 2

    Does anyone know of a walk behind or portable melting machine?
     
  2. Whiffyspark

    Whiffyspark 2000 Club Member
    from SOMD
    Messages: 2,402

    PropAne torch lol
     
  3. SnowGuy73

    SnowGuy73 PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 24,868

    Weed torch is all I can think of.....

    What are you thinking about doing? I'm curious now.
     
  4. Melting

    Melting Junior Member
    from USA
    Messages: 2

    I've got a customer that has no where to shovel/ dump snow. On top of that the sidewalks are 1 to 2 stories off of the ground.
     
  5. Whiffyspark

    Whiffyspark 2000 Club Member
    from SOMD
    Messages: 2,402

    Snow blower and let if fly
     
  6. SnowGuy73

    SnowGuy73 PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 24,868

    Agreed......
     
  7. 1olddogtwo

    1olddogtwo PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,503


    Sounds like you are looking for a ice maker cause that is what you'll make!
     
  8. fireball

    fireball PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 536

    do it the old fashioned way, use a hot water steam washer. You can buy one for 3500 that will do the job. You are limited by the amount of hose and electric cord that you need.

    Depending on the HVAC system that they have, you can run pipe along walk install heads to cover walk and plumb in system to hot water system. You need a air source to blow out heads when you are done.

    There are several radiant heat systems that you can install in the walks but that requires massive investment.
     
  9. KAM2009

    KAM2009 Junior Member
    from 46660
    Messages: 27

    Define "massive," please.
     
  10. fireball

    fireball PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 536

    600 per sq ft-really depends on the tubing selected which specs the boiler system
     
  11. fireball

    fireball PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 536

  12. KAM2009

    KAM2009 Junior Member
    from 46660
    Messages: 27

    That may be a capital investment expenditure, but the annual operating cost for that square foot is likely to be significantly lower. Investment in a boiler, or hydronic, system is the same idea as buying a new truck and a plow, but can be depreciated for two to three times as long.

    Consider the electric radiant heating alternative for snow and ice melting for five (5) snow events PER YEAR: TOTAL costs are as low as $ 226.74 per season or as high as $553.62 per season in the NE USA.

    How?

    Let's consider the annual operating + investment (excluding install labor and pavement) costs of a 1000 sq ft drive
    (Calculations of costs for electrical rates for states from Maryland to Maine)
    Compare those numbers to a typical 4-month plowing contract for a 1000 sq ft drive in your area.

    Given the following inputs, anyone can do the general math, but I provide it below (and feel free to check mine):

    http://www.eia.gov/electricity/state/
    — $0.113 to $0.155 $/kWh average state residential rates from MD to ME
    (2012 latest data, accessed August 2014)
    — 1000 sq ft, which for the math in this example I configured to 50 x 20’

    If we choose retail availability from a noted vendor like MOR Electric Heating,
    (http://www.morelectricheating.com/products/SNOW AND ICE MELTING/EMBEDDEDSNOW.aspx ),
    for a 50 x19.5’
    (closest mat coverage,
    two 15’ long mats and one 20’ long mat (50’ total)
    by six 36” wide mats and one 18” wide mat (19.5’ total),
    which may be more than is actually needed)
    operating at the optimal 50 watts/sq ft:

    975 sq ft x 50W/ft ÷ 1000 to convert = 48.75 kW required for operation

    So, operation cost per kWH for northeast US is between $5.51 and $7.56 for the driveway;
    per snow event, 3-10 hours of operation (melting snow and leaving a dry surface) using sensors and controllers can be
    as low as $16.53 and as high as $75.60;
    five (5) events a year, operating costs are
    as lows as $ 82.65/year and as high as $378.00/year

    The upfront costs (retail), per the MOR website (accessed June 2013):

    Easy Heat mats, amortized over 4-month season and 20 years (many systems are older than this):
    lowest = [(2) $315 + (1) $375] x 6 + [(2) $210 + (1) $250]
    = $6700 total investment; x 4mo/12mo/20years
    Total LOW investment = $ 111.67/yr
    or highest = [(2) $410 + (1) 470] x 6 + [(2) $271 + (1) $ 310]
    Total HIGH investment = $8592; x 4mo/12mo/20years
    = $ 143.20/yr

    Environmental Technology Inc. sensors and controller
    SIT-6E Pavement Mounted Snow & Ice Sensor, $980
    CIT-1 Aerial Snow Sensor, $425
    ETI Snow Switch® Model GF Pro controller, $540
    Total investment =$ 1945; amortized as above (x 4mo/12mo/20years)
    = $ 32.42/yr