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Magic

Discussion in 'Ice Management' started by snowcowboy, Oct 9, 2009.

  1. snowcowboy

    snowcowboy Junior Member
    Messages: 7

    Hi.
    Any one know anything about a Magic liquid for walks that wiil prevent snow biuld up, up to 3" and lasts for a week. Is this true? :alien:What's it called and where can I get some?:drinkup:
     
  2. Mick

    Mick PlowSite.com Veteran
    from Maine
    Messages: 5,546

    Yes. Magic -0 (minus zero). Try your local Magic Salt distributor. He stocks it to spray salt piles.
     
  3. 2COR517

    2COR517 PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 7,115


    Mick, do use Magic? Where do you get it?
     
  4. Mick

    Mick PlowSite.com Veteran
    from Maine
    Messages: 5,546

    Yes, I make my own Magic Salt. If you're interested in Magic -0, there's a distributor in Scarbourough.
     
  5. linycctitan

    linycctitan Senior Member
    Messages: 588

    I have not yet used the -0 liquid, but have had great experiences with their bagged product on walks and residentials. Even after using the Magic Salt, the residue seemed to "burn off" an inch or 2 of new snowfall, days after the last application (providing there was no rain in between). Thinking of using the liquid as a pretreatment for a new zero tolerance account.
     
  6. Sun's best

    Sun's best Junior Member
    Messages: 3

    WE have been using Magic salt for years ..I work for a casino in CT,And we presalt the roads and what it does ,Its doesn't let compaction happen at all ...It does melt up to 2"...Depending on how fast the snow comes down ...we buy rock salt and spray the stuff on our self's works great though...
     
  7. snowcowboy

    snowcowboy Junior Member
    Messages: 7

    Can we talk Price

    Or is that against the rules. I use about 500 to 600 40lb bags of salt a year. How much does Magic ice cost. We currently use Blizzard Wizzard and that works OK. we have a lot of walks and a parking garage to do with bag salt. so I'm tying to find a good product at a good price.ussmileyflag
     
  8. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,868

    OK, I've used Magic, so it wasn't like I was bad mouthing a product I've never used, so why was my post deleted?

    All I was saying is that what he was told was just as far-fetched as me selling the Brooklyn Bridge?
     
  9. so is the magic worth the price, or would you just go with 32% cal
     
  10. linycctitan

    linycctitan Senior Member
    Messages: 588

    It can be a bit pricey, but as with everything else price varies upon where you are. Even with the higher cost, it has saved me money because (as they say) when applied correctly you use less product. Here's the link to the main web page, from there you can find your local dealer and get pricing from them.

    http://www.magicsalt.info/
     
  11. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,868

    Is it worth the price?

    You have to decide that.

    It is not comparable to sodium\calcium blend. It is better, much better.

    IMHO, due to no fault of their own, the dealers have to charge higher prices for it which I believe to be way too high.
     
  12. heman

    heman Member
    Messages: 52

    how much does magic cost? we are located in northern suburb's of Chicago. have been thinking of using liquid but pricing seems all over the place. which one is the best one to use and what is the pricing?
     
  13. procut1

    procut1 Senior Member
    Messages: 380

    I used to laugh at the magic salt.

    I finally did some side by side tests with it compared to straight salt.

    What I found is:

    It DOES help keep salt from freezing in the hopper. If it doesnt wash off it is a big help.
    It DOES melt ice and snow faster than straight salt.
    It DOES have better residual than straight salt.

    It DOES NOT burn off a couple of inches of snow. It works better than straight salt but from what I have seen if you have to plow it with straight salt, you still have to plow it with magic.

    With that said, it DOES work great as a pre treat. Where I dont see it "burn off" accumulated snow, it does make for a really clean pass when you plow and does really good preventing compaction.

    On sidewalks with the liquid:

    It DOES keep snow from compacting.
    It DOES make for a really clean pass after they are shoveled.

    It DOES NOT "burn off" a couple inches of snow. Or at least doesnt do it fast enough to be acceptable not to shovel.

    Overall, I find the extra money worth it as it does have benefits over regular salt and those benefits are great.

    I do think that some of the claims are a little exaggerated. I wont swear to it in a controlled scientific test. Just from my experience using it.
     
  14. 2COR517

    2COR517 PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 7,115

    Thanks procut, that's a useful post.
     
  15. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,868

    Why haven't I ever received a thank-you from you?

    Are none of my posts useful? :realmad:
     
  16. 2COR517

    2COR517 PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 7,115

    Define useful. Entertainment value? You're top five.

    Snow removal info? Your responses are just what I would expect from a 15 year old girl :)birthday:) living on the beach. Do you realize I still have blisters from trying to handfile my cutting edge:laughing:
     
  17. heman

    heman Member
    Messages: 52

    thanks for the info that is what i thought.
    is magic the same as geomelt? i have heard $3.00 gal for magic and $1.00 for geomelt??
    which one has worked better?
    what has pricing been for the both?
    do you need a mixing tank to keep it mixed up (chemical separation etc.)
    does it really stop corrotion?
    what is the best pickup truck applicator, for streets, parking lot and sidewalks??
     
  18. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,868

    In liquid form? Pretreated salt?

    Criminy, that's a lot of questions. :D
     
  19. procut1

    procut1 Senior Member
    Messages: 380

    I am curious though. Does anyone have experience with magic, and I mean a contractor not a dealer, that is different than what I posted?

    I have heard the claims for years that it "can burn off 3 inches of snow" and things like you can practically put down the liquid and go sleep through a blizzard...haha

    Im not asking this to debate magic being good or bad. I already agree its good. Im wondering if I can change anything to get even better results than I get now.
     
  20. procut1

    procut1 Senior Member
    Messages: 380

    The one thing I think I could do is use straight liquid in a much heavier application and I know that would probably "burn off" a decent amount of snow. I do notice that when I presalt and we get a couple of inches that there are holes in the snow. So I think a different application would increase my results. Maybe not quite to the full claims, but I dont think its too far fetched that a heavy application of straight liquid could burn some snow.