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Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by Bossman 92, Oct 4, 2006.

  1. Bossman 92

    Bossman 92 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,771

    I am trying to bid on a lowes parking lot, but need some help. The lot is 200,000 sf plus a fenced in area in the back. I can easily handel this lot but don't know what to charge. By breaking the lot down into 3 sections it would be easy to do, just windrow everything. Should i price by plow, or by the hour? I know the idiots who plowed 2 years ago, they charged $25 an hour and ran 3 trucks. They said even then it took almost 4 hours???

    What do you guys think? We typically dont get more than a few inches at a time.

    Thanks
    Andrew
     
  2. SnoFarmer

    SnoFarmer PlowSite Fanatic
    from N,E. MN
    Messages: 8,574

    You are the contractor. Bid the job by the push.
    They should pay you more if you go slow?.
    Should they pay you less if you go faster or get new and bigger equipment?
    Why would you want to get paid less when you are spending more money to become more efficient?

    Bid it by the Hr and you will have proublems, they will think you are taking to long to clear the lot.
    By the push and they will not care how long it takes.
     
  3. Bossman 92

    Bossman 92 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,771

    What depth do you break your prices down at? 1-3 3-6 0r 1-4 4-6 or what? Like i said it's an easy lot, long and narrow and pleanty of places to put snow. I could easily handle 6" without much trouble.
     
  4. SnoFarmer

    SnoFarmer PlowSite Fanatic
    from N,E. MN
    Messages: 8,574

    How ever you want to break it down.

    Most places have a 2" trigger. find out what they want.

    I charge the same for 2" as I do for 10" ( some think 10" this is to much)
    (each customer is different, as is their lot and location.)
    Any thing over 10" is covered in a storm clause.
    The price basically doubles for plowing but salt stays the same.
    This way the customer knows how much it is going to cost, so they can budget for it.

    It's all in what you feel comfortable with or works out the best for both you and the customer. Read a few posts on this subject.
    A few guys have have broken things down to the inch with their prices.

    Good luck..
     
  5. Bossman 92

    Bossman 92 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,771

    Finally someone that does the same as me. I have buddys that break it down by 2-3" amounts, that is confusing for the customer. One price is usually easier for everyone.

    thanks it's always nice to hear what you guys think. payup
     
  6. SnoFarmer

    SnoFarmer PlowSite Fanatic
    from N,E. MN
    Messages: 8,574

    lol. Just wait a while I'm sure you are going have some more input on this..:waving:

    I have found that I no longer have to argue with customers about how much snow fell in the lot or you charged me to much. etc, etc.
     
  7. Bossman 92

    Bossman 92 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,771

    I am not argueing with someone over an inch of snow. what would you charge for this lot?
     
  8. DugHD

    DugHD Senior Member
    from Maine
    Messages: 420

    we bid our big box stores by the year. plow , salt , sand , whatever. Could you try that? Its easy for everyone, they can make there budget and you know whats coming in for cash flow. doug
     
  9. Bossman 92

    Bossman 92 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,771

    I actually just talked to the mrg and she said that they want a per event deal. which is fine, I don't want scare them with a high bid, and we are due for a good year. payup
    If I had to do a yearly deal I would be pretty high, because I have that feelin xysport
     
  10. Bossman 92

    Bossman 92 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,771

    OK if I can plow an acre an hour on a average lot with 4" how much longer will it take on a bigger lot like wallmart? I have measured it and walked it over did the math over and over I just want to look at it from different points of view. thanks to all for helping
     
  11. Plow Meister

    Plow Meister PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,174

    I used to plow all the Lowe's in my area. That was a few years ago. I had three of their stores. We parked a loader at each location. There were also up to three trucks working at each snow. One of the truck drivers would also jump into the loader and operate. The first year I kept salt on sight per the managers request. I argued with him but lost. The following spring he saw the bix white spot of nasty looking asphalt and was pissed. After a quick reminder of our previous conversations solved that problem.

    Anyways, we billed Lowe's on a Per Push basis plus salt. Each lot was the same size, more or less. They all wanted the lots to look perfect so we had to be out there as soon as there was 2" on the ground. We plowed every 2" and salted accordingly. We charged $750.00 for 2" of snow plus $180 per ton for salt. They used about 2 - 3 ton of salt per event. Each event we probably pushed 2 or 3 times. Plus, they ALWAYS paid on time.

    One thing... Make sure you have insurance as well as PROOF of insurance. They always asked me to send a cert of insurance to each store.
     
  12. JRSlawn

    JRSlawn Senior Member
    Messages: 346

    what location are you plowing my buddy is a manager and I might be able to hook you up. Let me know.
     
  13. Bossman 92

    Bossman 92 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,771

    I have ins and proof. Is that the going rate for salt per ton? This will be the first year not using bags. xysport :drinkup: I am working on bids for wallmart and lowes, and was going to ask the going rate of salt. Everyone around here uses bags, for $15 a 80 lb bag or 375 a ton. I can get salt for 60 a ton.
     
  14. Bossman 92

    Bossman 92 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,771

    New Philadelphia
     
  15. Plow Meister

    Plow Meister PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,174

    I pay around $50 tp $60 per ton. I just triple my cost. Plus, I was using V-boxes. No way would I attempt salting that much lot with a tailgate spreader.
     
  16. Bossman 92

    Bossman 92 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,771

    you and me both. I am putting down 2 tons per event, all in bags, or i should say was xysport
     
  17. Bossman 92

    Bossman 92 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,771

    Hey JR were you intersted in my tg spreader?
     
  18. Bossman 92

    Bossman 92 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,771

    Hey Meistro, how large are your lots? mine are about 200,000 sf
     
  19. Plow Meister

    Plow Meister PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,174

    I'd say that was about right. I don't do them any more. I had them for 2 years then their lawn care provider asked for the snow removal contract. Since I don't do lawn care, Lowe's went with the other company.
     
  20. Superior L & L

    Superior L & L PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,039

    Im doing two lowes in Michigan, Kind of weid.... our lots are about 200,000 sq fft . We get $800 for over 3" only $140.00 per ton but we put down 5-6 tons