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looking to buy a new ford 350

Discussion in 'Ford Trucks' started by Sealer People, Nov 15, 2010.

  1. Sealer People

    Sealer People Senior Member
    Messages: 207

    Hi everyone.

    Im looking to buy a new f350, supercab long box 4x4. Looking to plow with the truck.

    I between the gas motor & the diesel. $10,000 is the difference in cost between the two.
    Would anyone know if the fuel economy on the diesel is actually alot better or even worth spending the $10,000 ?

    Im in Canada, everything here is in kms.

    I currently own an older chevy (1996) diesel, I really dont see the fuel savings at all. Im in the 450 - 500 kms per tank. We're paying $1.06 per litre for diesel as of yesterday & gas was at $1.07.

    Funny thing, last week I actually paid more for diesel by about 3 cents over the gas price. That was a first.

    If anyone out there has the new 6.7 from ford or the 6.2, please give me some input.

    I was looking at purchasing a chevy, but people are saying to stay away from plowing with the duramax,,, anyone know why ?

    Thanks
     
  2. DCS MN

    DCS MN Senior Member
    Messages: 169

    In Minnesota we pay .30 more per gallon of diesel vs gas. Personally if you are not towing a lot there is no reason for the upgrade, the new gas motors are getting much better milage. I run both gas and diesel rigs and there is some savings in fuel but not enough to justify the $10k. I have test driven they both and they are really nice.
    Last but not least most gas trucks can easily hit 200,000 miles with simple maintenance so that argument of diesels lasting longer isn't really an issue. If you go with the diesel and put a lot of miles on, get the extended warranty, very expensive to repair and maintain.
     
  3. Sealer People

    Sealer People Senior Member
    Messages: 207

    Thanks for the input.
    Im surprised that diesel prices are so high out there,,, we're all going nuts in Ontario.

    Any towing that I do is basically a one ton dump trailer for my landscaping & interlock work or otherwise, driveway sealing equipment. Then of course there the snow plowing & the slide in salter (one yard is always on top).

    In regards to kms that we drive, we're normally doing 40,000 kms a year.
     
  4. fatheadon1

    fatheadon1 Senior Member
    Messages: 404

    i have a 2011 f350 cc sb 355 rear end and around town i get 14-16 mpg and highway 17-19 is the best iv done so far my truck has 8500 miles in 4 months. i never drove a 6.2 gaser but the power of the diesel is unreal and in the states the extra 7500 you put out for the diesel you always get back in resale, the diesel option never loses its value. im not sure if you have researched it or no but the 6.7 takes diesel exhaust fluid mine takes 1 gal of def to about a 1000 miles of driving, def is about 5 bucks a gal.
     
  5. Pinky Demon

    Pinky Demon PlowSite.com Addict
    from Ohio
    Messages: 1,121

    No, unless you haul heavy everyday and tow frequently at highway speeds over long distances, the fuel economy of a diesel vs. the initial upgrade price will never pay for itself.
     
  6. oldmankent

    oldmankent PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,318

    There's also the first model year for that diesel engine. You might not want to be the guinea pig.
     
  7. Too Stroked

    Too Stroked Senior Member
    Messages: 555

    One simple. little option that you really want to get if you plan on hanging a plow on any Ford is the Snowplow Prep Package. All it really amounts to is a different fan clutch, but if you have any problems and don't have it - and they find a plow on it - many dealers will void your warranty. Sad, but true.
     
  8. Raymond S.

    Raymond S. Senior Member
    Messages: 513

    I have an '11 F350 w/ the 6.2 and just hung an 8611 Blizzard on it. My buddy has an '11 F350 w/ the 6.7 w/ an 810 blizzard. Obviously his truck has more power, but cost alot more. The 6.2 has a ton more power than the 5.4 of recent years (last year.) My biggest reason for not getting the diesel was 1. cost 2.unknowns and 3. maintenance/repairs. My truck is a work truck used for work by my workers. When things go wrong this diesel isn't like my 7.3 where I can still somewhat work on it. God forbid an injector goes bad to the tune of $4k, where as I can do a rebuild on my gas for that money.
    I could go on and on but the reality is yeah the diesel is going to yield more power than the gas, but at what cost. If you need a truck to work and plow the 6.2 is the most EFFICIENT choice of the two options. Noone knows what that 6.7 is going to be in 2 or 3 years from now. I've heard alot of talk of the days of the 500k mile diesels are over. Too much BS to deal with now w/ emmissions. The new 6.2 paired to the 6 speed Torqshift tranny is one hell of a truck. The hp/torque is that of diesels just a few years ago. If we could get by with it then it's sure as hell going to get us by now. If the 6.7 proves to be a runner w/ no issues, then I'll probably pony up on the next truck and get it but I'm not going to spend the extra money not knowing much about it.

    Oh, and I've been averaging 14 around town w/ a pretty heavy foot. Took a trip on the highway the other day at 75 and averaged 16.5. That's a F350 single cab 4x4 3.73 gears.
     
  9. Raymond S.

    Raymond S. Senior Member
    Messages: 513

    I have an '11 F350 w/ the 6.2 and just hung an 8611 Blizzard on it. My buddy has an '11 F350 w/ the 6.7 w/ an 810 blizzard. Obviously his truck has more power, but cost alot more. The 6.2 has a ton more power than the 5.4 of recent years (last year.) My biggest reason for not getting the diesel was 1. cost 2.unknowns and 3. maintenance/repairs. My truck is a work truck used for work by my workers. When things go wrong this diesel isn't like my 7.3 where I can still somewhat work on it. God forbid an injector goes bad to the tune of $4k, where as I can do a rebuild on my gas for that money.
    I could go on and on but the reality is yeah the diesel is going to yield more power than the gas, but at what cost. If you need a truck to work and plow the 6.2 is the most EFFICIENT choice of the two options. Noone knows what that 6.7 is going to be in 2 or 3 years from now. I've heard alot of talk of the days of the 500k mile diesels are over. Too much BS to deal with now w/ emmissions. The new 6.2 paired to the 6 speed Torqshift tranny is one hell of a truck. The hp/torque is that of diesels just a few years ago. If we could get by with it then it's sure as hell going to get us by now. If the 6.7 proves to be a runner w/ no issues, then I'll probably pony up on the next truck and get it but I'm not going to spend the extra money not knowing much about it.

    Oh, and I've been averaging 14 around town w/ a pretty heavy foot. Took a trip on the highway the other day at 75 and averaged 16.5. That's a F350 single cab 4x4 3.73 gears.
    Also, the plow prep package also effects your airbag sensors so your airbag doesn't go off when you ram a snow bank. Something electronically, not sure of the details.
     
  10. Dodge Plow Pwr

    Dodge Plow Pwr Senior Member
    Messages: 568

    I've got an 11 F-350 witht he 6.7 & 373 gears. Drove to Detroit this weekend got (hand figured) 18.6 mpg at 80-90mph. Coming home into the wind and rain dropped to 16.6 mpg BUT I was doing 90. Not bad I think. I only have 2700 miles on it so far.
     
  11. seville009

    seville009 Senior Member
    from CNY
    Messages: 739

    I've got a 2011 F-350 with the 6.2l gas, and a 2006 F-350 with the 5.4l gas.

    I have them mainly for plowing, and have never had a problem plowing with the 5.4l in terms plowing. Haven't had a chance to plow with the 6.2l yet, but it will not be a problem either.

    I have a 10 ton contractor grade trailer; don't do alot of towing but there is is a huge different in the towing between the 5.4l and the 6.2l.. Could definitely feel the trailer with the 5.4l; with the 6.2l, it's almost like the trailer isn't even there.

    My mileage on the 6.2l is at 11.2 mpg with about 6,000 miles on it so far. I don't baby it though, because the engine and tranny is so smooth that it's a blast to floor it.

    I didn't consider the diesel option for the same reasons that others have mentioned - higher cost, higher maintenance, and higher fuel costs (here in NY - diesel used to be cheaper than gas, but it has been higher for a few years now). If I did alot of heavy towing, I'd probably go with the diesel, but I just don't need the torque for what I do.
     
  12. Chipper

    Chipper Member
    Messages: 78

    WOW I must not be charging enough for plowing. Ain't no way I'd buy a NEW truck and beat it up plowing. Feel bad enough putting a plow on the 06.
     
  13. Sealer People

    Sealer People Senior Member
    Messages: 207

    Im getting the f 250, supercab, long box, 4x4, w/ snow prep package.

    Any suggestions on a plow for it ?

    Im thinking an 8.5 ft or an 8 ft w/ wings.
     
  14. Dodge Plow Pwr

    Dodge Plow Pwr Senior Member
    Messages: 568

    This is not only a plow truck, I use it to pull my boat, and haul paper for my main job. This is not babied by any means, trust me.:nono:
     
  15. pvtben121

    pvtben121 Senior Member
    Messages: 226

    in the states its gallons so there are 3.78 liters in a gallon so your paying roughly 4 dollars a gallon for diesel and down in ohio diesel is $3.15 a gallon and gas is $2.75 that being said my company just swithced from all gas trucks to diesel and we maintain everything at dealers the longest we could get a gas pickup plow truck to go was 190,000 miles i have 2 diesel trucks right now over 265,000 so u can decide
     
  16. Banksy

    Banksy PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,113

    I looked at a 2011 F250 reg cab, gasser on Friday with the plow prep. Sticker was about $37k.
     
  17. pvtben121

    pvtben121 Senior Member
    Messages: 226

    dont forget diesel's have dual batteries and a hvy alt so you know which one will handle a plow and salt box longer
     
  18. Raymond S.

    Raymond S. Senior Member
    Messages: 513

    2011 F350 Reg Cab 4x4 6.2gas XL package
    power equipment group
    sync
    plow prep
    couple other BS upgrades.
    Sticker $35,065
    Sale price $30,020?
    Basically $5k off sticker should be within reason if you're looking at one of these trucks. I searched around for the right truck w/ power windows/locks but not all the extras like the step on the tailgate, FX4, other useless odds and ends.
     
  19. Sealer People

    Sealer People Senior Member
    Messages: 207

    I was really interested in the f250, but since we're going new, Im thining the f350 would be the better choice.

    I would need the supercab, long box. Its going to be $36 - 37,000 + tax ( canadian ).

    I ran into this truck last night online,,,,, 2008, f250, 4x4, 6.4 diesel engine, 75,000 kms, supercab, longbox for $28,000 canadian + taxes.
    good price ?
     
  20. Tony350

    Tony350 Senior Member
    Messages: 546

    I bought a diesel when mine was new figuring the $7000 for the diesel would come back to me when I sold/traded it on the new one. I could get the power for pulling/hauling/pushing, and the fuel savings and get the money back for the diesel when I was done with the truck. However my daily commuter is a pos saturn with over 200,000 on it. So fuel economy wasn't everything for me, I wanted a heavy duty truck when I needed it and when not the car was fine. I am very happy with the diesel and gald I bought one.