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Loader verse plow

Discussion in 'Heavy Equipment' started by Mustang, Sep 19, 2016.

  1. Mustang

    Mustang Member
    from NY
    Messages: 58

    I am currently running a number of plow trucks (Western Pro Plus, Blizzard 8611, 810s and have always been intrigued by loaders. Many a night I have been out there plowing and scraping when a loader shows up at a nearby property moving massive amounts of snow and the envy just oozes out of me. I really have no need for a loader other than snow so if I were to take the plunge I would have to justify it as a snow only machine. What are the considerations you have to think about when considering a loader? What size would be midrange that would give me considerable time savings verse a plow? Are loaders truly that much more productive than plow trucks as they look (or more so?)? Total newbie to a loader so any advice would be appreciated.
     
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  2. Snowman

    Snowman Junior Member
    Messages: 16

    I have a 5085e tractor with 10ft pusher and it will move 10x the snow any of my trucks will. So yes a loader would put a truck to shame
     
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  3. Masssnowfighter

    Masssnowfighter Senior Member
    from ma
    Messages: 201

    Loaders rule the day when it comes to moving large amounts of snow quickly. I transitioned my snow business from a fleet of trucks to a fleet of loaders, and I never want to go back to having a fleet of pick up trucks again. I have dropped all of my small accounts and only take on new accounts that require the big iron on site
     
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  4. FredG

    FredG 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,188

    I got 4 loaders that don't work in the summer months, Stay in that $18k to 25k it will support itself. You don't have to feed and water them while not in use.
     
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  5. dieselss

    dieselss PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,946

    They come in all sizes and hp.
    They are not for every parking lot.
    Visibility is better then a skid and truck.
    We run small to medium(ish) loaders. All depends upon the operator as well.
     
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  6. John_DeereGreen

    John_DeereGreen PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,879

    We've got 2 621 Case loaders that are pushing 14 foot Arctic sectionals. In just about every case since we got them they will replace 2 trucks, most times 3 trucks.

    Buy used loaders, 25k each and in less than 3 seasons you'll have paid for it instead of leasing them just for snow.

    What are the trucks you're plowing with, 20 year old Tacomas?

    I'm all for machines but you've got to be honest about production rates. A tractor with a 10 foot box on the loader is no more than 25% faster than a truck. To say it's 10x more productive is insane.
     
  7. FredG

    FredG 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,188

    I been considering a Case, The parts and Dealers are all over, Would a 621 take more than the 14ft box if needed? The hoes are about the only thing anybody owns around here. A decent case will bring all of 25K in this area.
     
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  8. John_DeereGreen

    John_DeereGreen PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,879

    I wouldn't have any issue putting a 16 foot box on one with good tires. They're 28k pounds plus. The reason ours have 14's is 1 it's all I could find fast and local and 2 we do road them from time to time.
     
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  9. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,853

    This is bovine excrement.

    My tractor with plows will, conservatively, move 50% more snow than a truck. Same plows, front and back. At times, it's closer to 100%, but I don't want to sound like a :terribletowel:.
     
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  10. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,853

    First oof, I hope all is well for you. And it's good to hear from you again.

    Second, repair bills will be higher when something breaks.

    Third, you need an operator or the repairs for the loader and property are going to bankrupt you. You can't throw anyone in it and tell them to have at it.

    Those are the basics to start thinking aboot. What size? What size lots are you plowing? I know snowfall varies greatly for you, but how mulch on average?
     
  11. FredG

    FredG 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,188

    You mean the guy :terribletowel: that comes in looking for work and tells you if it got wheels he can operate it. Thumbs Up
     
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  12. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,853

    Yes, that one.
     
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  13. Philbilly2

    Philbilly2 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,552

    I am offended... :rolleyes:

    And it doesn't need wheels... tracks or floats are fine...
     
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  14. fireside

    fireside Senior Member
    Messages: 661

    I bought my first loader 4 years ago fiat Allis fr10 I run a boss bx12. I would say it replaced two trucks for the most part. On two accounts with stacking locations its 3 to 1 all day long. On one account that we do a lot of windowing it doesn't shine like a truck with a blizzard plow does. So chose your poison right tool for the right job.
     
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  15. fireside

    fireside Senior Member
    Messages: 661

    I do s couple of small lots 4 passes all done. I almost felt guilty the first year but it's an investment.
     
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  16. Snowman

    Snowman Junior Member
    Messages: 16


    Haha I use my tractor on a large commercial lot that all the snow has to be carried to one end. My pusher is 10' wide 42" deep and 39" high. I have 3500 trucks with 8 1/2' straight blade. You can't tell me that box won't carry 10x the snow. I didn't say rolling snowing. I said moving. Trucks are for tight areas and putting snow where the pusher can carry it
     
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  17. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,853

    I'm telling you it isn't 10x as much.
     
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  18. John_DeereGreen

    John_DeereGreen PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,879

    So how long does it take with a truck to plow this property?
     
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  19. Snowman

    Snowman Junior Member
    Messages: 16


    So you think you can take a 8 1/2' plow and move all snow 700' across a parking lot and stack it faster. I'd have to see it to believe it. I didn't say a vplow or wideout. Just a straight plow. But I can take a plow and smoke tractor 2 to 1 on small lot that I can roll snow to edge of lot
     
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  20. Snowman

    Snowman Junior Member
    Messages: 16

    I wouldn't attempt it with 1 truck. I use 4 trucks and tractor. and time would depend on if there is 1 inch or 5 inches or 12 inches of snow
     
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