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Liquids Permits

Discussion in 'Ice Management' started by 86 CJ, Apr 9, 2015.

  1. 86 CJ

    86 CJ Senior Member
    from MD
    Messages: 285

    Those of you storing and spraying bulk liquids....

    Do you know if you need any permits to do so?

    Thanks
     
  2. cowbay

    cowbay Junior Member
    Messages: 28

    Depends where you are? By me any bulk storage of deicing liquids has to be in a double walled tank. These tanks. Have to be filed and permitted with the DEC.
     
  3. cowbay

    cowbay Junior Member
    Messages: 28

    As. For spraying no permits are needed on that
     
  4. 86 CJ

    86 CJ Senior Member
    from MD
    Messages: 285

    Thanks for the info. I need to check into the local county laws on Liquid storage. We made our own Brine this year with a small operation(used on all our accounts), but are opening up a new Liquids Ice Management company in the off season and will be getting larger (2500g) storage tanks and building a larger Brine maker before next winter season. I hope to be a close supplier/sprayer builder for some of the locals interested in trying out liquids in my area. We have already built a couple spray rigs for some company's last storm that are liking them and have others interested. I just want to get all the Bus stuff right before we invest more $$ into going larger.
     
  5. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,920

    In MI, anything over 1,000 gallons of calcium has to have a secondary containment, but no permit.

    No permit to apply either.
     
  6. Defcon 5

    Defcon 5 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,706




    To clarify............Do these qualify as secondary containment?????

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  7. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,920

    Sure they do.

    I was fortunate enough to spend $4k on mine, since somebody decided to call the DEQ on me.
     
  8. cowbay

    cowbay Junior Member
    Messages: 28

    Same here. I always had the salt storage permit for 300 tons but after a visit from the DEC I now have 1,000 gallon storage with 2,000 gallon spill containment. Here in NY you have to have double the tank size for containment. What makes me laugh at the state yards all they have is cheap single wall tanks. I asked about that but was told they were exempt. It is what it is
     
  9. 86 CJ

    86 CJ Senior Member
    from MD
    Messages: 285

    Damn :dizzy:, That's what I dont want to happen, so I am doing my Homework first before I decide what tanks I am purchasing, which will probably be at least a 2500 and 1000g for Brine and a smaller one for calcium.

    Do they require the secondary containment for regular salt Brine, or just anything other then that(like Mag or Calcium)?
     
  10. terrapro

    terrapro PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,879

    Just email bomb your state DEQ then when they respond you have proof in writing if they pay you a visit or have to go to court over fees.
     
  11. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,920

    Anything with chloride here.
     
  12. cowbay

    cowbay Junior Member
    Messages: 28

    same here permits required on all fronts
     
  13. TCLA

    TCLA 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,699

    Oops...I was only kidding when I was talking to them...:rolleyes:

    Sorry for the troubles. :blush2:

    Here it's best to submit a PIPP to the DEQ. Once you do that everything is peachey. It's one of those things you don't want to ask for forgiveness. It's better to ask for permission. Once you file this with the DEQ you can overcome any objections from city inspectors who wish to ruin you day.
     
  14. 86 CJ

    86 CJ Senior Member
    from MD
    Messages: 285

    Thanks For the info guys.

    We put a call in to Maryland Dep Of Env and since I am one of the first around here even doing liquids, they don't even have a plan of action :eek: So I see this as a good and bad thing. I will be stocking mostly Sodium Chloride in larger quantity's next season, but a will prob also have liquid Mag and Calcium on site as well, smaller totes. We are suppose to call back and speak with the actual inspector, maybe he will want us to just come up with a plan of action for logging leaks, fixes and spills. According to the state plan, that's all they have in place right now, but MD state also only prob holds Sodium Brine, maybe some Calcium, but I doubt it.